National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (please review page 1)

[Jaknight]

So Bunch of FB people are saying that shooting someone who is looting and burning your business is murder and you have no right to defend a business. I asked how do you stop a looter than and they told me I write to Congress

 

[Devildoc]

So Bunch of FB people are saying that shooting someone who is looting and burning your business is murder and you have no right to defend a business. I asked how do you stop a looter than and they told me I write to Congress

"I was fearing for my safety...."

 

[GOTWA]

And now he is going to take the lead in the prosecution of Officer Chauvin. This despite his Antifa support and the fact that he's never been a prosecutor or court room attorney. Again, what a clusterfuck.

That should go well.

 

[Blizzard]

You want a mistrial? 'Cause that's how you get a mistrial....

That's my point exactly.

These guys (I refuse to call them leaders at this point) have fucked this up from day 1. It's frustrating to me.

 

[GOTWA]

You want a mistrial? 'Cause that's how you get a mistrial....

Perfect opportunity to say the system is rigged and to riot more.

 

[Blizzard]

Perfect opportunity to say the system is rigged and to riot more.

I wish this weren't the case, but sadly, I wouldn't put it past him.

I pointed out the Justine Damond incident in a previous post. In that case, it took about 2 years to gain the conviction of Officer Noor. If I recall, Noor wasn't officially charged for almost 6 months. So, to suggest the Hennepin County Attorney is dragging his feet after one week is absurd. I have a reasonable amount of confidence in his ability and that he was doing his due diligence to ensure a conviction. To secure a conviction against a police officer is complex and probably requires the additional time.

Ellison on the other hand is a political fuckwit.

 

[RackMaster]

This is well organized.

Police describe anarchists' extensive prep for violence, including 'bicycle scouts'

 

[R.Caerbannog]

Perfect opportunity to say the system is rigged and to riot more.

If there are more riots I get the feeling people are just gonna start shooting rioters. Considering the alternatives are being beaten to death by a mob or having your business/home burned down with you in it... people are gonna take their chances with the justice system.

 

[RackMaster]

I'm sure it doesn't need to be said to anyone here but keep your head on a swivel.

Warning: Groups "canvassing" rural neighborhoods, taking photos of homes with police cars in driveways

 

[ThunderHorse]

Well, the Roof Korean 2020 Meme? Well it's not a meme anymore. They're back.

https://www.facebook.com/hannah.fett.3/posts/809656159854468

And you now have armed residents manning checkpoints in their neighborhoods all over the country.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1267469722808958978

I will point out that the Police Chief of Bellevue did the whole kumbaya bullshit taking a knee thing, didn't stop the riots that night.

 

[Cookie_]

However, we didn't have video of it. While there were vigils for Damond, there were no large scale protests at all.

Almost as if video of events is what usually fully highlights the issue and gets people riled up.

As a matter of fact, BLM and others were largely quiet. Would they have been had the skin colors been reversed?

They did, you just likely didn't see or hear about it if you aren't in that circle.

https://twitter.com/x/status/886977360096104448

https://twitter.com/x/status/887012034709245953

Those are just the two I remember off the top of my head.

As a matter of fact, there were actually protests claiming that Noor was being treated unfairly because he was the first Somali officer.

Are you forgetting that Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann called him an affirmative action hire days after the shooting, and tried to imply he shot Damond because he "came from a culture in which women should always be covered?". People were calling out the hypocrisy of the "Blue Lives Matter" crowd who immediately started calling for his death.

Many parallels can be drawn between the incidents with Damond and Floyd that speak to perhaps an institutional problem in training. However, the double standard in the community response to both is striking.

The only parallel is both are cops who had multiple issues with abusing their power and should have been fired long ago.

The only double standard is Chauvin managed to be involved with more killings than Noor.

 

[DA SWO]

You want a mistrial? 'Cause that's how you get a mistrial....

No, you want an acquittal. This is how you get an acquittal.

 

[Blizzard]

Almost as if video of events is what usually fully highlights the issue and gets people riled up.




They did, you just likely didn't see or hear about it if you aren't in that circle.

https://twitter.com/x/status/886977360096104448

https://twitter.com/x/status/887012034709245953

Those are just the two I remember off the top of my head.



Are you forgetting that Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann called him an affirmative action hire days after the shooting, and tried to imply he shot Damond because he "came from a culture in which women should always be covered?". People were calling out the hypocrisy of the "Blue Lives Matter" crowd who immediately started calling for his death.



The only parallel is both are cops who had multiple issues with abusing their power and should have been fired long ago.

The only double standard is Chauvin managed to be involved with more killings than Noor.

That's just not right, although I agree the issue here is one of poor training and misuse of authority. In Minneapolis PD, specifically, that appears to be an issue.

In re: Damond, I can tell you, there were a few candlelight vigils and one march with a few hundred people after Damond's killing. I can also tell you 100% there were absolutely zero widespread protests or outrage that even remotely approaches what we're seeing now, although the Chief of Minneapolis PD did step down as a result. This took place only a few miles from where I live and spend a.lot of time in the area, so I'm very familiar with it.

 

[Cookie_]

@Blizzard

As I said, you likely don't see large protests because we don't have video.

Even in instances like Drummond's in which there's no good way to defend the cops, protests don't really happen with video. Breonna Taylor is the most recent one, and about the only reasons protests started happening was after the Arbery video came out.

We have to take into account two the events around these cases.

People being unemployed, out of school, and the Floyd video being so graphic all helped to push this into a larger thing

 

[Cookie_]

So I've been told being in streets (when they have a permit and police close it off for them) is violating orders, we've discussed how some people think standing on your porch (which was allowed btw) but not going inside was violating orders, and numerous other instances where "you lose first ammendment rights for XYZ"

Well how about someone explain this one to me? (1:45ish if you wanna skip the speech)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1267319103167107072

 

[ThunderHorse]

"That wouldn't happen to a white person" is one of the most blatant racist spews that continues to be played on and on. White people are killed by cops at a greater rate and there's no riots, and no one cares.

 

[Florida173]

So I've been told being in streets (when they have a permit and police close it off for them) is violating orders, we've discussed how some people think standing on your porch (which was allowed btw) but not going inside was violating orders, and numerous other instances where "you lose first ammendment rights for XYZ"

Well how about someone explain this one to me? (1:45ish if you wanna skip the speech)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1267319103167107072

Am I correct to assume you have zero experience in peacekeeping operations during rioting?

 

[Jaknight]

So I've been told being in streets (when they have a permit and police close it off for them) is violating orders, we've discussed how some people think standing on your porch (which was allowed btw) but not going inside was violating orders, and numerous other instances where "you lose first ammendment rights for XYZ"

Well how about someone explain this one to me? (1:45ish if you wanna skip the speech)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1267319103167107072

What the hell thats terrible

 

[ThunderHorse]

Rioters set fire to occupied buildings in Richmond and blocked Fire Department Response.

Police chief details emotional rescue amid Richmond riot

 

[Blizzard]

@Blizzard

As I said, you likely don't see large protests because we don't have video.

Even in instances like Drummond's in which there's no good way to defend the cops, protests don't really happen with video. Breonna Taylor is the most recent one, and about the only reasons protests started happening was after the Arbery video came out.

We have to take into account two the events around these cases.

People being unemployed, out of school, and the Floyd video being so graphic all helped to push this into a larger thing

I get video is a powerful tool. However, it's absence doesn't explain the difference in response. Could it more likely be that Damond's death didn't fit the BLM narrative? In addition, many people were calling for the immediate arrest and charging of all 4 officers with first degree murder, which I hope everyone here understands is a ridiculous demand. A key problem I have is with many making this about race or a certain community when there truly is no objective evidence to support such an assertion.