National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (please review page 1)

757 said:
Sadly, I don't have access to my Lexis account atm. This, SPN: 01610509, is the closest I could find to an accurate link. In Texas, first degree felonies are 5-99 years depending on the case. Section 29.03. is the Aggravated Robbery section of the penal code for Texas. Floyd seemingly got the minimum of 5 years when he plead guilty.

Since it got brought up earlier, apparently in Texas minor criminals (read two years of less for minor offenses) are housed in state jail facilities whereas more severe criminals (felons) are placed in The Correctional Institutions Division (Texas slang for everything is bigger in our prisons).

I hope this helped move the conversation forward.
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Not what my last post said. Go do pushups.
 
Bypass said:
Wait.....Why are we defending George Floyd's rap sheet?

I musta woke up in some alternate reality where guys who spend their entire lives not breaking the law and living by the book are now defending a multiple law breaking offender.
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I don't like the whole idea of "this dude was killed by cops, let's see if he has a criminal history so we can blame his death on him" that has become super common.

Somebody can be a massive piece of shit AND treated like shit/killed by the police.
 
Cookie_ said:
I don't like the whole idea of "this dude was killed by cops, let's see if he has a criminal history so we can blame his death on him" that has become super common.

Somebody can be a massive piece of shit AND treated like shit/killed by the police.
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A lot of Fentanyl in his system. Complained he couldn't breath before being placed on ground. Was an APPROVED restraining technique. Who killed who?
 
Bypass said:
A lot of Fentanyl in his system. Complained he couldn't breath before being placed on ground. Was an APPROVED restraining technique. Who killed who?
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You're also leaving out the few minutes where Floyd is clearly unresponsive yet is still being held to the ground. After stating that he wasn't able to breathe multiple times. Don't really see the point you're trying to make here at the end of the day Chauvin still technically killed Floyd, now whether it meets the charges set by the AG is an entirely different discussion.
 
Bypass said:
A lot of Fentanyl in his system. Complained he couldn't breath before being placed on ground. Was an APPROVED restraining technique. Who killed who?
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A tragic chain of events all the way around that no one saw happening when they woke up. I wouldn't say there were any compleatly innocent parties.
 
SaintKP said:
You're also leaving out the few minutes where Floyd is clearly unresponsive yet is still being held to the ground. After stating that he wasn't able to breathe multiple times. Don't really see the point you're trying to make here at the end of the day Chauvin still technically killed Floyd, now whether it meets the charges set by the AG is an entirely different discussion.
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My point was supposed to be Floyd was also responsible in a way. Had he not been on fentanyl he probably wouldn't have died according to everything I've heard and what little I have read. BUT I agree having a knee on his neck didn't help. Had it been a sober individual and not someone suffering from a fentanyl overdose like you or me then we probably wouldn't have died BUT we also wouldn't have freaked out and lost our shit when the officers tried to place us under arrest. I'm not completely defending or completely accusing anyone. I'm just saying it was a bad chain of events that could have been avoided if Floyd had stayed home that day where he could have died on his own in his own home of a fentanyl overdose.
 
I just read his autopsy (yeah, I'm bored). No medical evidence that the neck thing caused death; in fact, there is no medical evidence that the cop's actions caused the death. There are a lot of different drugs on board. To be fair, a lot of notes about bruising/contusions/abrasions on his shoulders and torso; a few minor on his cheeks and nose.

Any potential jurors in the SPAM area have already made up their minds, so it's not going to matter.

For your viewing pleasure:

Autopsy 2020-3700 Floyd | Coronary Circulation | Tetrahydrocannabinol
 
medicchick said:
I wouldn't say there were any compleatly innocent parties.
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I don't know. I watched the full body can footage from both officers. I don't really see any significant issues with their actions. Just a tragic outcome.

The following point is moot but, keep in mind, Floyd's death was not by asphyxiation and that was never mentioned in the autopsy report. Death was due to "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." (Edit: @Devildoc posted a link to the autopsy report above, it was also posted earlier in this thread).

We'll never know the answer to this but given Floyd's complaints about breathing and his chest while the officers were still trying to get him into the squad, if Chauvin had restrained him some other way - across the shoulders, simply held his head down/immobilized his head or something - would Floyd have still died? I'm not sure it can be said with certainty that he wouldn't have.
 
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Devildoc said:
I just read his autopsy (yeah, I'm bored). No medical evidence that the neck thing caused death; in fact, there is no medical evidence that the cop's actions caused the death. There are a lot of different drugs on board. To be fair, a lot of notes about bruising/contusions/abrasions on his shoulders and torso; a few minor on his cheeks and nose.

Any potential jurors in the SPAM area have already made up their minds, so it's not going to matter.

For your viewing pleasure:

Autopsy 2020-3700 Floyd | Coronary Circulation | Tetrahydrocannabinol
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You and I are on the same wavelength today. I just posted something very similar.
 
Devildoc said:
I just read his autopsy (yeah, I'm bored). No medical evidence that the neck thing caused death; in fact, there is no medical evidence that the cop's actions caused the death. There are a lot of different drugs on board. To be fair, a lot of notes about bruising/contusions/abrasions on his shoulders and torso; a few minor on his cheeks and nose.

Any potential jurors in the SPAM area have already made up their minds, so it's not going to matter.

For your viewing pleasure:

Autopsy 2020-3700 Floyd | Coronary Circulation | Tetrahydrocannabinol
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This is one of those super tough situations. Floyd clearly was no angel, the guy had lots of reasons to not like him. Chauvin probably had a justified case for all of his actions until somewhere during the 8-minutes of kneeling. At some point, whether the guy (Floyd) can breathe/talk/move, Chauvin should have had enough sense to attempt to get him back in the car. I have a hard time believing he didn't feel a physical difference from Floyd from when he was alive to when he passed. I fully support our cops and the job they do, but all Americans deserve their day in court, and Floyd was not given his. We have cops to enforce laws and ask them to do heroic actions day in and day out, but we don't ask/want them to judge and implement punishments.
 
All of that said, I don't think this was racially motivated. I also don't think it is a result of a racist system. I think we have a culture problem that creates resentment towards our brothers in blue and until that is fixed, we are always going to have hostile criminals who cops need to take actions against. When situations are continually escalated by aggressive citizens, these situations will continue to happen. A little respect for the law and those that serve it would go a long way in minimizing these incidents.
 
NikNifSik said:
This is one of those super tough situations. Floyd clearly was no angel, the guy had lots of reasons to not like him. Chauvin probably had a justified case for all of his actions until somewhere during the 8-minutes of kneeling. At some point, whether the guy (Floyd) can breathe/talk/move, Chauvin should have had enough sense to attempt to get him back in the car. I have a hard time believing he didn't feel a physical difference from Floyd from when he was alive to when he passed. I fully support our cops and the job they do, but all Americans deserve their day in court, and Floyd was not given his. We have cops to enforce laws and ask them to do heroic actions day in and day out, but we don't ask/want them to judge and implement punishments.
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Totally agree, super tough. At the end of the day I don't care what Floyd's history is, just interested in the link between him, his death, and Chauvin's actions, and creating (or dispelling) a fatal sequence of events. I also agree about giving people (to include Chauvin) their day in court; however, I am afraid that people have already made up their minds.
 

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