National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (please review page 1)

We had a BLM protest up in Prescott. Prescott is known for being a conservative town and Yavapai County is pretty conservative. I wouldn't say it's a racist place...there's some other towns in AZ I would point you to. But literally what happened was assholes from Phoenix drove up there to do a march and the people who didn't want the BLM violence that occurred in downtown Phoenix in their town and they yelled expletives. In the footage I saw there were no slurs, no Confederate Battle flags. And it all ended peacefully.

But this whole going out and picking a fight thing that we see today is very strange. You can draw parallels to the Civil Rights movement but it is clearly not the same at all, if anything there's way more violence today across the entire country by comparison.

So a lot of Liberal Leaning papers are touting this report from the ACLED...I have no idea who they are. But according to them only 7% of the protests have been violent. I can see a huge number being non-violent. But as I've watched these things nationally and locally I have a HARD time believing that statistic. And if it's true, think about the inordinate amount of damage done by the 7%. Entire cities are going to be plunged into economic depressions.

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I also enjoyed the stunt of Biden and Kamala going to Kenosha to talk to Jacob Blake. The #MeToo movement is dead.
 
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Can we have winter yet, they all seem scared of the cold and snow.
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I came home to winter yesterday, thank you very much...when I left Colorado on Friday, temps were running near 100°F and the AC was on...when I got back, there was snow on the porch and it was 54°F in the house...I can wait on winter...
 
Pretrial hearings today for the four officers...and big news...

Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman and 3 county attorneys were just disqualified from participating in the George Floyd trial as part of the prosecution. This was done in response to a motion from defense attorneys and is the result of a meeting with the ME, etc. He may now be called as a witness in the case.

We'll see how this all plays out but I view this as a huge blow to the prosecution since Freeman is probably the most skilled on that team.

Attorneys are also rguing for separate trials and potentially change of venue.

I'll get a link when I can.
 
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Additional motion presented for anonymous sequester the jury. Very contentious issue. They will be sequestered through deliberations but not the entire trial. Defense argues this will put them in danger as attorneys on both sides have already received thousands of threats. No decision yet on keeping them anonymous.

A lot of important motions being brought up. Defense will NOT be allowed to bring up prior incidents with Floyd; judge didn't see their relevance.

Perhaps what is most interesting is the individual defense teams don't appear to be aligned. They're kind of pointing fingers at each other, if you will.
 
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Additional motion presented for anonymous sequester the jury. Very contentious issue. They will be sequestered through deliberations but not the entire trial. Defense argues this will put them in danger as attorneys on both sides have already received thousands of threats. No decision yet on keeping them anonymous.

A lot of important motions being brought up. Defense will NOT be allowed to bring up prior incidents with Floyd; judge didn't see their relevance.

Perhaps what is most interesting is the individual defense teams don't appear to be aligned. They're kind of pointing fingers at each other, if you will.
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Interesting takes. please stay on top of this.
 
Blizzard said:
Additional motion presented for anonymous sequester the jury. Very contentious issue. They will be sequestered through deliberations but not the entire trial. Defense argues this will put them in danger as attorneys on both sides have already received thousands of threats. No decision yet on keeping them anonymous.

A lot of important motions being brought up. Defense will NOT be allowed to bring up prior incidents with Floyd; judge didn't see their relevance.

Perhaps what is most interesting is the individual defense teams don't appear to be aligned. They're kind of pointing fingers at each other, if you will.
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The two rookies are being screwed, and those charges need to go away. Plus, the persecution would get two additional witnesses.
 
Blizzard said:
Pretrial hearings today for the four officers...and big news...

Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman and 3 county attorneys were just disqualified from participating in the George Floyd trial as part of the prosecution. This was done in response to a motion from defense attorneys and is the result of a meeting with the ME, etc. He may now be called as a witness in the case.

We'll see how this all plays out but I view this as a huge blow to the prosecution since Freeman is probably the most skilled on that team.

Attorneys are also rguing for separate trials and potentially change of venue.

I'll get a link when I can.
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Follow on to previous (from several sources)...

1. Disqualifying Hennepin County Attorneys
Judge Cahill asked prosecutor Matthew Frank (presenting arguments today) if he "plans on having principal prosecutors from Hennepin County Attorney's Office at the table with them at trial."

"I haven't decided yet," Frank said

"Well i have. They're disqualified."

Judge Cahill removed Hennepin County attorney Freeman and 3 others from the case; they cannot participate as lawyers. It's possible other Hennepin Co. attorneys other than these 4 could assist.

2. Floyd's Criminal History
When the defense proposed presenting evidence related to Floyd's prior criminal history in TX and a prior traffic stop. Judge Cahill asked how it was relevant since the officers didn't know about the prior cases when they encountered Floyd.

One of the defense attorneys argued that it is relevant because Floyd ingested drugs in a prior 2019 traffic stop (I hadn't heard this before). They argued he did the same when Lane and Kueng approached and that it's relevant because they will argue drug overdose as cause of death.

Judge Cahill ruled out using both for now but left the door open for admitting the history of the 2019 traffic stop during trial. To me, this seems very relevant, especially if the defense is presenting overdose as a cause of death.

3. Autopsy
There were actually 3 autopsies/reviews; I was only aware of two; there was the official Hennepin Co ME, the private autopsy by Floyd's family, and an Armed Forces ME review, which I was not aware of but agreed with the official ME

Defense wants the results from the private report. Prosecutors stated they do have the full report. Judge says they cannot call as expert witness unless they share.

In re: to Armed Forces review, prosecutors argued he can't force them to turn over the report. Same thing as previous, then expert will not be allowed to testify.

I found this exchange interesting because, first, I didn't know there was another review, apparently ordered by the state. Second, the prosecution seems very opposed to sharing these additional results.

4. Elevated Charges
Prosecution is arguing for an upward departure, ie. stiffer sentencing. They argued Floyd was vulnerable stating the following: He was handcuffed, treated with particular cruelty, the officers abused their position of authority, the crime was committed by a group of 3 or more, and it was in the presence of multiple children

Judge Cahill doesn't the vulnerability argument fits; It's meant for people who have disabilities, etc. He said the prosecution is just conflating different factors to get an aggravated sentence.

Judge Cahill will have decisions by Oct 15.

Judge considers decisions on combined trial, venue, dismissal in George Floyd case
 
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