Retention and Recruitment Crisis

New sailors arriving on the West coast have been told to contact Habitat For Humanity because There's zero housing and unless you're a significant rank, you aren't affording the local market. Sailors on the East coast are living in vehicles.
A lot of barracks on Army bases would be condemned, housing is limited or it's to expensive because rates are set to compete with local markets.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/chaplain-general-military-morale-pld-housing-inflation-1.6989721
 
RackMaster said:
New sailors arriving on the West coast have been told to contact Habitat For Humanity because There's zero housing and unless you're a significant rank, you aren't affording the local market. Sailors on the East coast are living in vehicles.
A lot of barracks on Army bases would be condemned, housing is limited or it's to expensive because rates are set to compete with local markets.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/chaplain-general-military-morale-pld-housing-inflation-1.6989721
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Immigrants taking all the available housing?
 
RackMaster said:
New sailors arriving on the West coast have been told to contact Habitat For Humanity because There's zero housing and unless you're a significant rank, you aren't affording the local market. Sailors on the East coast are living in vehicles.
A lot of barracks on Army bases would be condemned, housing is limited or it's to expensive because rates are set to compete with local markets.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/chaplain-general-military-morale-pld-housing-inflation-1.6989721
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That's wild.
 
RackMaster said:
New sailors arriving on the West coast have been told to contact Habitat For Humanity because There's zero housing and unless you're a significant rank, you aren't affording the local market. Sailors on the East coast are living in vehicles.
A lot of barracks on Army bases would be condemned, housing is limited or it's to expensive because rates are set to compete with local markets.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/chaplain-general-military-morale-pld-housing-inflation-1.6989721
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That's seriously messed up
 
DA SWO said:
Immigrants taking all the available housing?
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Partially. Many are willing to combine incomes and share a house between multiple households. Increasing the buying power and overbidding. Then the pandemic had many from major cities like Toronto cash out and move to small cities and rural areas. Sale of homes in Toronto created a lot of millionaires. So the price every where has gone up.
Then there's the massive amounts of in base housing that was torn down because they couldn't be fixed. Then never replaced. Barracks are in rough shape, would probably be shut down if it was any where else. A housing policy that sets prices based on local market rates.
And a government in power for 8 year's that never follows through with any major promises, especially for anything defence related.

I forgot that we are short something like 700,000 housing units, nationwide and we're on track to take 1 million new immigrants a year.
 
RackMaster said:
Partially. Many are willing to combine incomes and share a house between multiple households. Increasing the buying power and overbidding. Then the pandemic had many from major cities like Toronto cash out and move to small cities and rural areas. Sale of homes in Toronto created a lot of millionaires. So the price every where has gone up.
Then there's the massive amounts of in base housing that was torn down because they couldn't be fixed. Then never replaced. Barracks are in rough shape, would probably be shut down if it was any where else. A housing policy that sets prices based on local market rates.
And a government in power for 8 year's that never follows through with any major promises, especially for anything defence related.

I forgot that we are short something like 700,000 housing units, nationwide and we're on track to take 1 million new immigrants a year.
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Bold face part- Unit under us sold, and the buyers decided to be landlords vice flippers. 1700/month for a unit that should have gotten 1K.

Family of "migrants" signs the lease and moves in, then they bring a second family in and start building walls/rooms in the apartment. They are gone, landlords got clobbered by the HOA (rightfully so) city and county. The now vacant unit is up for sale.

Back on topic- DoD had good years up until COVID, they got complacent. I doubt GO's care about anyone but themselves and fellow GO's.

The Army seems focused on short-term fixes and never considers 2nd or 3rd order effects.

Example, unit deploys and the AC is turned off to save money. Ignoring the fact that a high humidity/hot environment is great for mold (personal experience says a house warmer than 78 will get moldy fast). They saved money on electricity, but are spending multiples more on mold remediation. Did they learn a lesson? nope, every other unit deploying had the power turned off to save money and returned to mold filled buildings.

Pre-Social Media, the crap could be covered up, not in today's world.
Woke-ass leaders spout DEI crap and alienate 50% (or more) of the recruit pool, then wonder why the folks you demonized are no longer showing up.

We need a serious purge of the officer corps,0-6 and up.
 
Ah, staff positions that require a SAMS planner and the interviewer wants to know if the log planner has a ranger tab. The cancer continues. The Army said it wanted to make assignments more like corporate interviews. But if I read twitter, guys coming out of CGSC are getting asked questions that have nothing to do with the role they're "applying for". Honestly, the previous system where Branch assigned people based on needs of the Army was significantly better than giving CoS's interview power for staff positions. AIM sounds awful, lol.
 
RackMaster said:
Well this isn't going to help with Canadian retention. We are the laughing stock...

John Ivison: The leaders of the free world have no time left for unserious Canada
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I'll offer some revisionist history if you will before I go to bed.

Canada's decline started with two defense initiatives: Cancelling the Avro Arrow and divesting itself of a strong ASW capability. The Arrow was years ahead of contemporaries and even if it wasn't? It was a strong piece of North America's defense. Or could have been.

Most people don't know that the RCN kind of held it down during WWII. There was a period when the Brits were spread thin and depleted, and the US was coming up to speed, when the RCN and some Flower-class corvettes (not designed for the role) held the line during the Battle of the Atlantic. Canada doesn't need to roll with carriers and cruisers to contribute, it proved that a strong ASW component can change history.

But, here we are.

Let's be honest. Canada doesn't need the capability to defend itself, it needs the capability to help defend itself. That must be galling to Canadians and I understand, but that's the world we live in.

Provide Liaison officers for our (and NATO's) AWACS, provide a Defensive Counter Air (DCA) mission with limited strike capabilities, and provide the ability to render a robust ASW presence in both the Atlantic and Pacific. Reduce the size of your land forces and focus on light infantry, SOF, and SAR because you are arguably among the best in peacetime SAR.

There's no shame in having a niche role. It allows you to be among the best for that job. More importantly, if you scale down your broad efforts you can devote your limited resources on a changing mission set.

Just my devalued and inflated 2 cents, and worth every penny paid for...
 
AWP said:
I'll offer some revisionist history if you will before I go to bed.

Canada's decline started with two defense initiatives: Cancelling the Avro Arrow and divesting itself of a strong ASW capability. The Arrow was years ahead of contemporaries and even if it wasn't? It was a strong piece of North America's defense. Or could have been.

Most people don't know that the RCN kind of held it down during WWII. There was a period when the Brits were spread thin and depleted, and the US was coming up to speed, when the RCN and some Flower-class corvettes (not designed for the role) held the line during the Battle of the Atlantic. Canada doesn't need to roll with carriers and cruisers to contribute, it proved that a strong ASW component can change history.

But, here we are.

Let's be honest. Canada doesn't need the capability to defend itself, it needs the capability to help defend itself. That must be galling to Canadians and I understand, but that's the world we live in.

Provide Liaison officers for our (and NATO's) AWACS, provide a Defensive Counter Air (DCA) mission with limited strike capabilities, and provide the ability to render a robust ASW presence in both the Atlantic and Pacific. Reduce the size of your land forces and focus on light infantry, SOF, and SAR because you are arguably among the best in peacetime SAR.

There's no shame in having a niche role. It allows you to be among the best for that job. More importantly, if you scale down your broad efforts you can devote your limited resources on a changing mission set.

Just my devalued and inflated 2 cents, and worth every penny paid for...
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Canadian Army's current active strength is 22,500. Not sure how much smaller they can get man.
 
AWP said:
I'll offer some revisionist history if you will before I go to bed.

Canada's decline started with two defense initiatives: Cancelling the Avro Arrow and divesting itself of a strong ASW capability. The Arrow was years ahead of contemporaries and even if it wasn't? It was a strong piece of North America's defense. Or could have been.

Most people don't know that the RCN kind of held it down during WWII. There was a period when the Brits were spread thin and depleted, and the US was coming up to speed, when the RCN and some Flower-class corvettes (not designed for the role) held the line during the Battle of the Atlantic. Canada doesn't need to roll with carriers and cruisers to contribute, it proved that a strong ASW component can change history.

But, here we are.

Let's be honest. Canada doesn't need the capability to defend itself, it needs the capability to help defend itself. That must be galling to Canadians and I understand, but that's the world we live in.

Provide Liaison officers for our (and NATO's) AWACS, provide a Defensive Counter Air (DCA) mission with limited strike capabilities, and provide the ability to render a robust ASW presence in both the Atlantic and Pacific. Reduce the size of your land forces and focus on light infantry, SOF, and SAR because you are arguably among the best in peacetime SAR.

There's no shame in having a niche role. It allows you to be among the best for that job. More importantly, if you scale down your broad efforts you can devote your limited resources on a changing mission set.

Just my devalued and inflated 2 cents, and worth every penny paid for...
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While I agree with you, that was us 10 years ago. We've degraded so far that we can't even make basic commitments. The troops don't have ammo to train, especially tank and artillery rounds. We sent them all to Ukraine without a replenishment plan. Our moron in charge canceled the F35 for votes when he was first elected. Bought used F18s from Australia and we haven't started flying any of them. They were supposed to arrive this year with the upgraded radar. And now they are being replaced with F35s at higher costs.

The biggest thing is, young Canadian's join for the adventure and travel. But if we aren't invited to the party by our allies and we can't afford to send anyone. No one is going to join. We can't even meet recruiting goals for normal attrition. We can't even house, feed or equip the troops.
 
AWP said:
Jesus..."good initiative, poor judgement." I had no idea, not even close, the situation was THAT bad.
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It was bad when I joined in the 90's. So many layers have been neglected or outright ignored since Trudeau was elected. It's worse, so much worse.

Trudeau's campaign to eliminate "toxic masculinity" from the military, has just created a different toxicity.
 
There is no such thing as toxic masculinity.
There is no such thing as toxic femininity for that matter.

People are toxic - gender is not. If the mush brained leftists REALLY believed their own bullshit, they would realize that "gender" cannot be toxic - gender is a spectrum - amiright you stupid leftist fucks?

Maybe the goal isn't actually eradicating toxic 'masculinity' maybe the REAL goal is something much more complicated and nefarious.
 

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