One of our resident SEAL or SWCC guys would know best, but my understanding was that you're not a SEAL until after SQT which follows the end of BUD/S. Meaning he may have completed BUD/S, but is still a SEAL trainee.
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One of our resident SEAL or SWCC guys would know best, but my understanding was that you're not a SEAL until after SQT which follows the end of BUD/S. Meaning he may have completed BUD/S, but is still a SEAL trainee.
Do you remember that turd, Ben something, who did PMC work in Iraq '04-'06 timeframe? He claimed to be a SEAL, but had to walk that back when it was discovered he'd completed BUD/S, but not earned the Trident. I think back then it was something like BUD/S, maybe follow-on training, and then a probationary period with your team before you were officially a SEAL. This dude had done something egregious enough to be punted from his team and never earned the Trident.
I think he was active on various forums spouting his SEAL stuff. I can't recall what happened to him, maybe killed in Iraq or just drifted away?
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Kinda. Old way was each Group ran it's own post-BUDS "advanced" training; however, guys were already on a platoon, and had to appear before a board before they got a Trident. So they may or may not have received the advanced training before the board. So guys could have been on a platoon and team and deployed before going before a board.
Circling back, now the process is pretty clear, but I'm still unclear as to whether this guy was a BUDS graduate or not.
The original article stated he us a BUD/S graduate, but also as a SEAL trainee. I filled in the blanks on my own to surmise that meant he had yet to complete SQT. I could be wrong on that assumption.
I don't know that I'd call it splitting hairs. You either are a SEAL or you aren't one. I only bring this up as we as a board don't tend to allow the argument of "I'm XXX." Cool, you have your pin/beret/tab then! "Ahksuhlly I have one more training before I get my tab/pin/beret". That gets a dog pile in an instant. I just want us to be consistent on that.
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I am not arguing the point. I AM saying that when it's a moving target in the military to get the NEC, or 18-whatever, it does lead to discussions like this where it leads to ambiguity in articles like I posted. Doesn't stop there: Ranger vs Ranger, recon Marine (0321) vs 0321s who are not jump and/or dive qualified. If it's contentious in 'our' circles, it's made worse with articles like this.
We know what we don't know: BUDS not SQT? SQT not boarded? Boarded waiting for a platoon? None of the above? BUDS roll-back? BUDS dud? Pre-BUDs? Civilian BUDS prep?
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I expected T&P would eventually chime in.
Active duty Navy.
Hard to tell his actual SEAL status just yet
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Active duty Navy.
Hard to tell his actual SEAL status just yet
Invited by the school
Five college lacrosse players hospitalized after workout led by Navy SEAL graduate
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