Super Sweet Movie Discussion Thread

Stories are just that and some are good for longer runtimes while others are not. I think the real problem is Netflix likes 8 episodes for whatever reason, when the story is perhaps better told in 6 or even 12 episodes. hat extra 90-120 minutes REALLY screws with the writing and plot development.

Some series will suck no matter what. but there are others that were shoehorned into the wrong length.
 
Devildoc said:
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Semantics on whether they are mini-series or regular series.

But I think you can take an idea and flesh it into a multi-series streamed event and have a much better product than cramming several hours of content into a couple hours on a screen. I think some of the houses realized this (Star Wars, Marvel).

Can you imagine a Tom Clancy book like Red Storm Rising (his best book, IMO) in that format? Dude. That book cannot be made into a traditional movie.
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Meh. I don't know. I think that's symptomatic of poor writing.

How many series have these character arcs that the collective audience just doesn't care about? Nearly all. They're filling space with stuff that doesn't move the story forward in any meaningful way. The Star Wars and Marvel universes are perfect examples of oversaturation of poor stories. There's plenty of fatigue out there as a result.

A good writer/story teller can convey a story succinctly. A more complex story can take a little longer to tell, but most of the time that's not the case.

Consider the John Wick series. We probabky all agree it was a good, entertaining action movie. Do we really need more? Is there more to learn or tell about John Wick? No. The story was pretty much done with the original movie. I'll take then 2nd and maybe even stretch to a 3rd, but that's it. Every version they make after that actually diminishes the original. An offshoot from the John Wick unvierse, The Continental, was made. It was good. Did it need to be tied to John Wick? No, it could've been done as a stand alone, but I'm fine with how they did it. It was a mini-story. Once and done.

What's more, not everything needs to be or should be a series. Top Gun didn't need another movie. What they did was good, but it wasn't necessary. Does Saving Private Ryan need a follow on? No. It was an amazing stand alone story. That's what I'm looking for...terrific stand alone shows that don't attempt to be more than what they are.

Edit: AWP's previous post basic says everything I post above more succinctly.
 
Blizzard said:
Meh. I don't know. I think that's symptomatic of poor writing.

How many series have these character arcs that the collective audience just doesn't care about? Nearly all. They're filling space with stuff that doesn't move the story forward in any meaningful way. The Star Wars and Marvel universes are perfect examples of oversaturation of poor stories. There's plenty of fatigue out there as a result.

A good writer/story teller can convey a story succinctly. A more complex story can take a little longer to tell, but most of the time that's not the case.

Consider the John Wick series. We probabky all agree it was a good, entertaining action movie. Do we really need more? Is the more to learn or tell about John Wick? No. The story was pretty much done with the original movie. I'll take then 2nd and maybe even stretch to a 3rd, but that's it. Every version they make after that actually diminishes the original. An offshoot from the John Wick unvierse, The Continental, was made. It was good. Did it need to be tied to John Wick? No, it could've been done as a stand alone, but I'm fine with how they did it. It was a mini-story. Once and done.

What's more, not everything needs to be or should be a series. Top Gun didn't need another movie. What they did was good, but it wasn't necessary. Does Saving Private Ryan need a follow on? No. It was an amazing stand alone story. That's what I'm looking for...terrific stand alone shows that don't attempt to be more than what they are.

Edit: AWP's previous post basic says everything I post above more succinctly.
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There will always be a place for the 90 minute shut-down-my-brain-and-entertain-me, I do not deny that. I think there are stories that need more than that. Those stories need multiple episodes to tell those stories.

Can a good writer/story teller convey a story succinctly? Sometimes. Not all the time. Ronnie Howard certainly can. Scorsese can, but has admitted his movies would be better if they were longer, but then fewer people would go because who wants to see a 4 1/2 hour movie?
 
Horizon was a series...a four part series 2 1/2 - 3 hours each... and the character development was the whole first episode...why can't you MF'ers all just go watch the damn movie...

RIP Horizon
 
BlackSmokeRisinG said:
Horizon was a series...a four part series 2 1/2 - 3 hours each... and the character development was the whole first episode...why can't you MF'ers all just go watch the damn movie...

RIP Horizon
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I did watch and agree with you. It was set up to be a good series and was looking forward to the next movie; it's already done.

At one point, what I heard is, because of disappointing box office returns (audience ratings were good though), they pushed back the release of Part 2, which was supposed to be in Aug(?) to allow the fan base to build once it went to streaming. That date was supposedly Nov, but here we are. So, I don't know what will happen with it. Parts 3 and 4 probably won't ever be made at this point.
 
There is a reason that El dorado, Rio Bravo, and Rio Lobo made good money at the box office even though they were all pretty much the same movie...
...because it was a good story line and people of that era loved to watch John Wayne

The themes and messaging were still there - but it was part of the story. You didn't need a story line that said, "the heroine is gay, lets get on with the show"
...and there is nothing new about pandering to "modern audiences"

Way back in 1998 - Eric Cartman tried to tell us - independent films are nothing more than hippie movies. "They’re always about gay cowboys eating pudding"

Was he making fun of Brokeback Mountain?
NO
...Brokeback Mountain didn't come out until 2005
...but his appraisal seemed pretty solid

We see it all the time.
Captain Marvel was bashing the main demographic of goofy comic book movies - goofy men that like comic books.
...then when men decide not to go to her movie - SKREE SKREE - toxic masculinity killed my movie ratings

It's becoming more and more common place. Somebody in Hollywood spills the beans on the new edgy social messaging they are building into their reimagined plot line - "the force is female" yada yada yada blah blah blah"
we dont need men coming to this movie
we don't want people that think like "you" coming to this movie
this movie wasn't made for people that don't like woke story lines
...wah wah wah: our movie didn't make a billion dollars - SKREE SKREE SKREE - why do male movie goers hate women ??
 
Note that Star Wars movies or shows that do great have the diversity shit dialed back to the 1970s/80s. But the new ones that are shit are just choose your own adventure sjwdei plots.
 
ThunderHorse said:
Note that Star Wars movies or shows that do great have the diversity shit dialed back to the 1970s/80s. But the new ones that are shit are just choose your own adventure sjwdei plots.
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When criticism of Rey's character first surfaced, I was a bit critical; I try to not make a knee jerk rection.

It was quickly evident the character was there to push a narrative, doubled down upon by Disney's wish to push a far Left message.

I think my only reason to temporarily renew Apple+ is for a handful of movies or series this summer. Even then? Pirate Bay is looking good right now.
 
There is a reason that El dorado, Rio Bravo, and Rio Lobo made good money at the box office even though they were all pretty muich the same movie...
...because it was a good story line and people of that era loved to watch John Wayne

The themes and messaging where still there - but it was part of the story. You didn't need a story line that said, "the heroine is gay, lets get on with the show"
...and there is nothing new about pandering to "modern audiences"

Way back in 1998 - Eric Cartman tried to tell us - independent films are nothing more than hippie movies. "They’re always about gay cowboys eating pudding"

Was he making fun of Brokeback Mountain?
NO
...Brokeback Mountain didn't come out until 2005

Is the force female?
Who cares?
I just want to see a bunch of lightsaber battles and maybe some green boobies every so often.
The problem is when a studio not only decides that they are going to trash DECADES of source material as a "fuck you" to the fan base - and then fails to even follow their own preachy woke drenched messaging as they SHAMELESSLY try to pander to what's left of the fan base...
...well just fuck ne running backwards

I get it - Rey "doesn't need to be a Skywalker" to have powers - she has Grrrl Power - she doesn't need the PATRIARCHY of the force.
Unitl disney saw that they were fucking up by the numbers...
so was her force power really just Grrrrl Power?
nope
it was Palpatine Power
go figure
 
SpongeBob*24 said:
Gladiator II was really good. 5 out of 5 dead Romans. Strength and honor and stuff..... 8-)
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Really? So far I've shied away from seeing it. The combo of seeing only short commercials with Denzel doing the famous "Training Day" leer-and-laugh in a pallium + almost 25 years since the original made it look to me like an over-gimmicked moneygrab.

Then again, I was laid flat by the Mad Max reboot three decades later. Also since reading your post I watched one of the full G2 trailers, and it looks more solid than the 20-second glimpses I saw up to then, so I might give this one a shot soon.
 
BlackSmokeRisinG said:
episode...why can't you MF'ers all just go watch the damn movie...
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I will watch Horizon because I watch every western I can. I dig'em and we don't get many in theaters these days. I did want to see it in the theater but fucked around and let people talk me out if it. The reviews were harsh, but I'm starting to see people coming around to it now. I hope Costner makes the remaining 3 parts.
 
Topkick said:
I will watch Horizon because I watch every western I can. I dig'em and we don't get many in theaters these days. I did want to see it in the theater but fucked around and let people talk me out if it. The reviews were harsh, but I'm starting to see people coming around to it now. I hope Costner makes the remaining 3 parts.
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The first part of the film is unnecessarily difficult to follow. The story jumps around quite bit more than needed, but it does settle down and is worth your time.
 
Topkick said:
A few of the reviewers I've watched say the same thing and that it would make more sense as a TV series.
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The story weaves about 4 character groups together over a span of years. The movie was meant to give a broad look at life during that time as lived by different groups, natives included.

It is a slow movie. There are also several moving action scenes. As for this one, I like the characters and can't wait for part 2.
 
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