Syria Thread

Leaving always seems to take more time than going in.

Depending on how many people we have there, what stuff they've got, and how much of a power vacuum (and infrastructure) we want to leave behind, 60+ days seems reasonable to me. If we wanted to leave all of our infrastructure and most of our equipment in place, and divert all of our strat air to Syria, we could probably get everyone out in 30 days. Otherwise it's probably going to take a while.

I would rather the President have said, "In 30 days, I want a plan to withdraw...".
Is it difficult because America doesn't have the support of Syria/Russia who control most of the country?

What about driving to Iraq and flying out of an airbase there?
 
Withdrawal is more than a question of logistics and a time table. Doesn't anybody think we owe something to the SDF and the YPG? Didn't we abandon the Kurds in 1991? They've fought, bled and died alongside us.

I guess this is a sensitive issue with me, having experienced it first hand elsewhere. As a nation we tend to turn our backs on allies we've supported. Seems to be a habit. We give them finger and unass the AO.
 
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There are deadbeat dads who haven't abandoned their children the way we've dumped our allies. We're lucky anyone, anywhere is willing to work with the US. Honestly, it is disgraceful.

Modern Kurds are like the chicks outside of every USMIL base ever. They know what they’re in for when getting mixed up with a military dude...they’ve heard all the stories from their moms.

Who’s using who?
 
There are deadbeat dads who haven't abandoned their children the way we've dumped our allies. We're lucky anyone, anywhere is willing to work with the US. Honestly, it is disgraceful.
For my own context, are you speaking specifically under the Trump administration or are you referring further back?
 
Withdrawal is more than a question of logistics and a time table. Doesn't anybody think we owe something to the SDF and the YPG? Didn't we abandon the Kurds in 1991? They've fought, bled and died alongside us.

The decision to abandon the Kurds was part of the straw that broke Jim Mattis' back.

So you're in good company.
 
Withdrawal is more than a question of logistics and a time table. Doesn't anybody think we owe something to the SDF and the YPG? Didn't we abandon the Kurds in 1991? They've fought, bled and died alongside us.

I guess this is a sensitive issue with me, having experienced it first hand elsewhere. As a nation we tend to turn our backs on allies we've supported. Abandoning the Kurds to their fate is just another dent in our historically damaged international credibility.

I remember the looks of our SVN counterparts when they got wind 2nd CAG was going to unass the AO. I still have contact with a number of survivors through the association I belong to...some of whom spent years in reeducation camps; and to their credit they are gracious enough not to hold grudges against their American brothers-in-arms. But our abandonment of them left a lasting bitterness against the perfidiousness of Washington foreign policy.

...and the Warlords in Afghanistan (Northern Alliance), they fought for us and we rewarded them by unseating them from power....sure, more to it than that (politics and "country building"), but the common soldier that fought with us believed in us.

Not sure why anyone helps us anymore....
 
Modern Kurds are like the chicks outside of every USMIL base ever. They know what they’re in for when getting mixed up with a military dude...they’ve heard all the stories from their moms.

Who’s using who?

Sure they're using us. All the indigenous people we offer to help "use" us. But they wouldn't be using us if we hadn't offered to support them for our own ends and opened the cash box and the toy locker.
 
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