I like Annie.........Thorsidotter....Sakamoto.......Julie......Camille....
The "CrossFit Culture" is a bunch of DORKS!!!
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Last year with the 30 reps of 225lbs hang power clean a bit too much right away, and yeah the snatches area bigger than I'd like too see. But I think they are trying to chop the numbers decisively earlier on due to logistics. Either way the Games are a hell of an event in total.
Try walking through the Crossfit gym while a class is going on. It should be added on to any pipeline as an additional obstacle course.
I'm gonna switch sides here for a second, and say that the whole WWE-intro they did when they announced 13.5 was super gay, and you could tell the athletes were pretty embarrassed with it.
I didn't see that. I really hope it doesn't go that way. As much as I like the games, its hard to cheer people doing thrusters! " Full Extension....." I know, I know I'm a fitness nerd and I have probably said, in fact I have said something like that.
I responded to this post only as it seems the question had not been answered as of yet. To post a disclaimer, I used to work in the sports medicine field in a different life. I used to hold the NSCA-CSCS and CPT certifications while working in that field. I was NOT a physical therapist or ATC or PTA. I have been disconnected from the industry for years but I still enjoy reading the threads in here for knowledge and debate. I pass on this link for reference to quoted question above as it made me wonder what the organization might think about Xfit. I did not find an official position paper however. Take note regarding the author's background at the end of the article. Also keep in mind that NSCA has been offering their TSAC certification (Tactical Strength and Conditioning) for a bit now and while I am not trying to sound like a skeptic, they do have some skin in the game. (I am not familar with that program and I don't know what it costs to be TSAC certified and if there are discounts to the military and LE community)
I also did not read the article fully, but intend to once I have a few more minutes of free time tonight.
http://www.nsca.com/Education/E-lea...-Training--Do-CrossFit-or-P90X-Make-the-Cut-/
Evidence-Based Physical Training: Do CrossFit or P90X Make the Cut?
by Guy Leahy, Med, CSCS,*D
High-intensity circuit training programs are gaining a lot of recent attention. Learn about their application to military fitness. From the NSCA TSAC Report.
There is no denying the growing popularity of high-intensity circuit training programs (e.g., CrossFit™, P90X™, etc.) (2,15,16). With the emphasis of such programs on hard exercise and short rest intervals in a highly competitive environment, it is not surprising such programs have become increasingly attractive to military populations. For example, over 58 non-profit military CrossFit affiliates now exist, including installations such as the Pentagon, the United States Military Academy, Fort Bragg, Fort Meade, and Luke Air Force Base (17). The rapid incorporation of these training techniques into military fitness programs has led to concerns about the safety and effectiveness of these programs, elsewhere referred collectively as extreme conditioning programs (ECPs)(3). Anecdotal reports of improved fitness test scores resulting from participation in ECPs have been countered by similar reports of serious injury and even lawsuits associated with the use of ECPs (14,16). Because increased rates of injury would have negative impacts on military readiness, it is important to assess ECPs from an evidence-based perspective, in order to determine whether or not ECPs enhance, or produce a detriment to, military “fit to fight” capacity.
There do not appear to be any studies of ECPs in the peer-reviewed literature. A CrossFit affiliate group at Fort Hood conducted a study in 2009, but this work remains unpublished. One non-peer-reviewed study on CrossFit was published in 2010 by the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College (17). The study subjects were 14 students of the College, and “were a mix of men and women with varying levels of physical fitness and CrossFit experience.” The study was eight weeks in duration, and the subjects performed an initial assessment of the Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT), plus three CrossFit workouts. After the training intervention, the subjects were post-tested on the same pre-assessments.
The 2010 CrossFit study suffers from several deficiencies. The sample size was small; there was no control group, and no comparative group which trained utilizing protocols that have been demonstrated to improve military fitness (7,8,10,11,12). Laboratory measures of aerobic fitness/strength/power were not conducted. Differences in “average power” were the outcome variables used to assess performance improvements. The post-test results were reported as percentiles, and not tested statistically to determine if the differences were significant. For the APFT, post-test improvements of 7.33% and 4.77% were reported for the push-up and sit-up components. Some subjects recorded declines in performance on both tests. The 2-mi run was not assessed post-training due to inclement weather.
Another recent study which appeared in a non-peer-reviewed online journal examined the P90X ECP (23). This study evaluated the energy cost and exercise intensity of four different P90X workouts. The study utilized 16 subjects (9 men and 7 women). Pre-test assessments consisted of a treadmill test to measure maximal oxygen consumption (VO2max) and maximal heart rate. The subjects practiced each of the four P90X workouts selected for the study prior to the testing period. Heart rates (HR) were recorded at 1 min intervals, and used to calculate predicted VO2 and energy expenditure for each workout. The results predicted an average HR max of 67 – 83% for males, and 65 – 88% for females. Average VO2max values were 45 – 70% for males, and 45 – 80% for females. Average calculated calorie expenditure was 10.5 – 16.2 kcals/min for males, and 7.2 – 12.7 kcals/min for females. The authors concluded the four P90X workouts met American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM) recommendations for energy expenditure and exercise intensity, and represented an alternative option for exercisers looking to improve aerobic fitness and/or lose weight (23)............ http://www.nsca.com/Education/E-lea...-Training--Do-CrossFit-or-P90X-Make-the-Cut-/
There are a few people who bring their laptops into the gym with them and do some form of P90X...in the gym...with their laptop. Forgiving the fact that they look like complete idiots, I want to throw things at them.
I'd like to meet somebody who doubts CF produces faster and more noticeable results.
ThunderHorse
Verified Military
When conducted correctly and safely HIIT is extremely effective.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/exercise-science/167224-mark-rippetoes-resignation.html
Gentlepersons of the National Strength and Conditioning Association, and
whoever may be concerned:
This letter shall serve as my formal relinquishment of my Certified Strength and
Conditioning Specialist credential. I was in the first group to test for the CSCS in
1985, and was among the minority of applicants to pass the exam and be granted
the credential, which I was proud to hold for many years.
However, the NSCA has apparently taken a different direction from the one with
which I so closely identified 23 years ago. My professional emphasis has remained
on the improvement of strength and conditioning, while that of the NSCA has
apparently changed. Its professional publications are quite thoroughly reflective of
a shift in emphasis to physical therapy and athletic training, while failing, in my
opinion, to address the actual processes by which athletes are made more strong
and conditioned,and further, in my opinion, failing to meet the minimum standards
for a quality scientific publication.
Its internal administrative problems are legend. It has dealt with me in an
unsatisfactory manner regarding its professional insurance. It no longer serves my
best professional interest to be associated with the NSCA or the NSCA
Certification Commission.
Therefore, I am formally relinquishing my CSCS credential, which I shall no
longer use in any subsequent professional reference or capacity. Furthermore, I
withdraw permission from The National Strength and Conditioning Association
and the NSCA Certification Commission to list me as a Certified Strength and
Conditioning Specialist in any publications or online materials that may be
published subsequent to the receipt of this letter.
Sincerely,
(signed)
Mark Rippetoe
Gentlepersons of the National Strength and Conditioning Association, and
whoever may be concerned:
This letter shall serve as my formal relinquishment of my Certified Strength and
Conditioning Specialist credential. I was in the first group to test for the CSCS in
1985, and was among the minority of applicants to pass the exam and be granted
the credential, which I was proud to hold for many years.
However, the NSCA has apparently taken a different direction from the one with
which I so closely identified 23 years ago. My professional emphasis has remained
on the improvement of strength and conditioning, while that of the NSCA has
apparently changed. Its professional publications are quite thoroughly reflective of
a shift in emphasis to physical therapy and athletic training, while failing, in my
opinion, to address the actual processes by which athletes are made more strong
and conditioned,and further, in my opinion, failing to meet the minimum standards
for a quality scientific publication.
Its internal administrative problems are legend. It has dealt with me in an
unsatisfactory manner regarding its professional insurance. It no longer serves my
best professional interest to be associated with the NSCA or the NSCA
Certification Commission.
Therefore, I am formally relinquishing my CSCS credential, which I shall no
longer use in any subsequent professional reference or capacity. Furthermore, I
withdraw permission from The National Strength and Conditioning Association
and the NSCA Certification Commission to list me as a Certified Strength and
Conditioning Specialist in any publications or online materials that may be
published subsequent to the receipt of this letter.
Sincerely,
(signed)
Mark Rippetoe
As compared to what? For what sport? For what event?
There are 3 "boxes" in my area. I could drive to all of them today and the WOD for the day won't be the same....so what is CF?
constantly varied, high-intensity functional movement
I think he did this a few years ago. He is a great strength coach and was one of the first guys to get a CSCS. You could call him a CSCS plank owner.
We have a dozen ( 3 women, the rest are men) or so at my job who religiously performed P90X. They have the videos with crappy music and assed-up "instructors" and the various colored bands...every night they are out there for however long a "workout" lasts. After a few months they started using free weights in their routine. Around 4 months into P90X they started lifting and hitting the treadmill. I asked them why they seemingly abandoned P90X; The women still use it and the men don't. They weren't seeing any gains in their PT scores and had actually lost time on the run.
Is it the program or the people? I don't know. I only know that those doing P90X found it unsatisfactory when measured against the only yardstick they know: The Air Force PT test.
Your mileage may vary...
It's a program designed to burn fat and build lean muscle and give you a "beach body". But like everything else in that realm, the diet is 75% of the equation, if not more. My buddy who did it, and saw great results, was spending $100-$150 at the grocery store every week. The perceived lack of results is probably directly related to the quality of food your buddy Fleur serves at the DFAC. 
I get your point though. And P90X is supposed to be 90 days. Unless my math is way off, they should have been done before 4 months. If they want to get better at ONLY the PT test, all they have to do is run and practice push/sit ups.
And my mileage always varies greatly.
I get your point though. And P90X is supposed to be 90 days. Unless my math is way off, they should have been done before 4 months. If they want to get better at ONLY the PT test, all they have to do is run and practice push/sit ups.
And my mileage always varies greatly.
ThunderHorse
Verified Military
Watching the reruns with the ESPN what is cross fit shpiel is hilarious.
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I'm late to the pants party here, (LIKE ALWAYS) but I'll throw in my 2 cents....and to be upfront/honest, I am no stud like most of yall for sure!!!!
I grew up lifting with my brother, he is huge, he got all the Norwegian muscles , I got the leftovers and huge lungs!
I did X-country and Track (400, 800, 1 and 2 miles and Javelin)
I know most guys jumped on the CF in the early days (2004-2006)....I did...and I liked it, it was alot like what I did already and what we did in High School to stay strong but not add extra bulk.
Anywho.....I never did WOD's religiously..they were posted on white boards and I did all of it or some of it based on what I wanted/what my plan was.
The thing about CF that confused me was there was no pattern...so I made up my own.
To this day, I throw kettlebell swings into just about every day of PT and use the HIIT like its a religion.
To sum up my rambling, CF has its place, I won't bad mouth the principle, nor the people that do it in the military to better themselves.
However, it is not a end all be all solution!
I think true Physical fitness requires multiple attacks from key angles and is definitely dependent upon the individual on what angle is needed more.
In my opinion... Crossfit is successful because of the intensity put into the workouts. The concept is not new and any workout program that consist of intensity, variation, repetition, and variation done at the same level of intensity will obtain the roughly the same results. To caveat that, certain programs are designed certain ways. You can do P90X as intense as you want but as it is geared towards losing weight and what not, those are the results your going to see. Crossfit is not a new style of working out, it is a brand. It's a brand that motivates participates by providing them challenging daily workouts (forcing intensity levels required to progress) and gives crossfitters a sense of community. For the record, I dislike crossfit. As previously stated, Crossfit can be very successful and it has its place but it is not the be all, end all of fitness programs.
