The self identity thread.
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The keywords in @Ooh-Rah 's statement are United States and bathroom. The article cited occurred in Toronto, and the assault was in a shelter,which happens quite regularly, unfortunately, in shelters. This is why many homeless refuse to go into a shelter unless absolutely necessary. Weapons are not allowed, your meager personal effects are stolen, and there is little the shelter can legally do to protect you from others. Not excusing what happened by any means, but trying to give some insight into what happens in shelters that is outside of daily view.
Additionally, you cannot expect any group to have zero idiots or malcontents. We had them in the military, and we have them on the civvie side. Similar arguments were used in virtually every state that has passed shall issue concealed carry permits. "Someone with a permit to carry a gun could go crazy and kill someone!" Again, unfortunately there are always a very small group that will abuse the law and get in trouble. As what happens in the rare few instances where a concealed carry holder commits a crime thinking they are John E. Law or Bill Badass. That doesn't mean we scrap everyone's right to defend themselves.
No disrespect intended to anyone, but this emotional outrage over someone going into the bathroom with their wife or daughter screams of a nice juicy liberal emotional argument devoid of logic
. If they are worried about someone causing trouble with their precious wives and daughters, why aren't they also worried about someone causing trouble in the men's bathroom with their precious sons? I guess conservative emotional appeal is ok as long as it meets the agenda 
, sounds like a liberal tactic to me. 
I have to say though, all kidding aside this has been a remarkably civil discussion with great input from all sides.
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I have always thought the "assault" issue was a red herring; not a good argument. Sure, some weirdos are going to use the law to their benefit and this may be the outcome, but honestly, I expect it would a very, very small, as in statistically insignificant, proportion of potty users.
Regarding private businesses making their bathrooms transgender/unisex/unicorn only, whatever, they are private business and can do what they want. The government? It seems the whole argument could be avoided by simply making all bathrooms unisex and single use or family-style (like at malls). How hard would that be?
Regarding private businesses making their bathrooms transgender/unisex/unicorn only, whatever, they are private business and can do what they want. The government? It seems the whole argument could be avoided by simply making all bathrooms unisex and single use or family-style (like at malls). How hard would that be?
The keywords in @Ooh-Rah 's statement are United States and bathroom. The article cited occurred in Toronto, and the assault was in a shelter,which happens quite regularly, unfortunately, in shelters. This is why many homeless refuse to go into a shelter unless absolutely necessary. Weapons are not allowed, your meager personal effects are stolen, and there is little the shelter can legally do to protect you from others. Not excusing what happened by any means, but trying to give some insight into what happens in shelters that is outside of daily view.
Additionally, you cannot expect any group to have zero idiots or malcontents. We had them in the military, and we have them on the civvie side. Similar arguments were used in virtually every state that has passed shall issue concealed carry permits. "Someone with a permit to carry a gun could go crazy and kill someone!" Again, unfortunately there are always a very small group that will abuse the law and get in trouble. As what happens in the rare few instances where a concealed carry holder commits a crime thinking they are John E. Law or Bill Badass. That doesn't mean we scrap everyone's right to defend themselves.
No disrespect intended to anyone, but this emotional outrage over someone going into the bathroom with their wife or daughter screams of a nice juicy liberal emotional argument devoid of logic
I have to say though, all kidding aside this has been a remarkably civil discussion with great input from all sides.
A Rape Survivor Speaks Out About Transgender Bathrooms
So you're saying that because statistics tell you (based up Google searches) that a transgender person has never attacked anyone sexually in a bathroom. Are you going to say next that it will never happen? You can't, because like you've said, we have shitty people all over this rock. This law will make it that much easier for a person, particularly a male) to walk into any bathroom and act lewdly. Yes, there are no magical barriers in place right now to stop them, but they are much easier to keep out with present laws.
What is the percentage of sexual assaults and sexual harrassment cases that go unreported? I never paid attention during the safety briefs but I'm pretty sure they said it was incredibly high.
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I don't quite know where you got that from or where it was inferred. I was just pointing out that the source provided did not match the argument with some commentary attached. However, the argument makes no sense. How exactly will it make it physically easier to commit a crime? Unwanted contact, sexual or otherwise, is already prohibited by law. Sexual assault is already a felony level crime in all states. To go back to the gun argument, the government has several laws that are already on the books, why do we need more?
Let's assume for argument's sake that this law provides a codified method for imposing criminal sanctions for using the wrong restroom. Then what? Are we going to lock people up for wanting to take a piss or shit in a bathroom? It can't be made into a felony, so at best it will be a misdemeanor. So we are going to waste more tax payer resources, crowd an overworked criminal justice system, create more revenue for lawyers, and overwork the already hated police departments nationwide, just to keep cocks and slants in their respective rooms. If the bad guy's intent is to do harm, the factors that influence his decision to do harm is not based on a law. It is opportunity and intent that dictate whether bad guy commits the crime, and any crime he wants to commit is already illegal.
#if bathrooms are outlawed, only outlaws will use bathrooms lol
Obviously you cannot bar anyone from entering a bathroom. But under previous laws, it was much easier to identify a person who should not be
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TOLD YOU: Man Enters Women's Restroom, this Happens NEXT
All this is doing is making it easier for guys like him to do this to one of my daughters. This girl is 10. Old enough to enter a bathroom by herself, old enough to remember this for the rest of her life, and young enough that this will scar her for a very long time.
From Pennsylvania last week.
TOLD YOU: Man Enters Women's Restroom, this Happens NEXT
All this is doing is making it easier for guys like him to do this to one of my daughters. This girl is 10. Old enough to enter a bathroom by herself, old enough to remember this for the rest of her life, and young enough that this will scar her for a very long time.
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How is it making it easier? How do we identify who is what gender? You cannot have a law that allows anyone to make up their own parameters. The law provides no barrier, no check system, and is meaningless. What, you would feel better about a misdemeanor charge of being in the wrong bathroom tacked onto a felony child porn charge? More charges do not equal a better chance of conviction.
You are using an emotional argument to justify a paper tiger. The previous laws do not codify what constitutes a male or female, nor does it outline a method for determining how to find out who is male or female. This is nothing more than fear mongering on the part of conservatives that want to fight the "liburul agenda". This argument is the same shit the Komrade Klintons tried with the "think of the children" line when looking to ban guns. Remember? "if it saves one child's life then it is worth it!" The internet made it easier for predators to find children, it doesn't mean we ban the internet and prevent our children from using it. It means we stand vigilant and teach them how to survive in an ever changing world. Adapt and overcome.
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What does this have to do at all with the bathroom laws? Gender identity? This dude wasn't dressed like a woman, didn't say he identified as a woman, he just fucking perved out in a bathroom. No law could have stopped this or even made it more difficult for him to do this.
Seriously dude, I don't see how this helps your argument at all. If anything it weakens your position, as it shows that guys don't need to dress like women to get into women's restrooms. They can just walk on in as it stands.
I disagree as that's exactly the point I was trying to make. How does a woman dress differently than a male other than skirts and dresses? All a male has to say is they identify as a woman and poof now they can walk right in and unquestioned because questioning them would be ignorance.
Here's the answer....
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But...
The reality (and by reality I mean what will really happen; not what our worst fears are) is that most dudes who are going to saunter into a bathroom to do bad things are not going to walk into a woman's bathroom and and announce to anyone who asks that they identify as a woman. It's just not going to happen, and if it does people will still question him. In the end, how far does the pervert child rapist/photographer want to take their ruse? Get on CNN/FOX as the first male to take advantage of the new law and not even make the attempt to look like a woman?
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I honestly do not follow. A guy dressed like a guy will always be questioned. Are you trying to say people will just walk in and when caught say they were trans? For real? Is that the best argument for this? Why isn't this happening en mass all over the country? Why doesn't this happen all over Europe? Why are t pedophiles jumping out of their shoes saying they are trans? Or are we just legislating the possibility of a problem now?
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This is EXACTLY the point I was trying to make in this thread.
... and BTW, I'm a purple buffalo.
... and a Navy SEAL. The first purple buffalo to graduate BUD/S, because that's how I feel.
... and BTW, I'm a purple buffalo.
... and a Navy SEAL. The first purple buffalo to graduate BUD/S, because that's how I feel.
For the MF'ing WIN.Paul Smecker approves of this law.
I left the pic on purpose. Cause Agent Smecker was the baddest crossdressing government employee since FDR.
Do women always wear skirts, dresses, or heels?
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Obviously not.
I blame "silence of the lambs"...
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I blame "silence of the lambs"...
So.. My fiance only seems to know pop culture, and more specifically this reference through family guy... Here's what she thought of when I described that scene.
