The Trump Presidency 2.0

[ThunderHorse]

Devil's-ish Advocate:
If it's the one I'm thinking off, it has sat at a civilian boneyard in Marana, AZ since 2019 or something. Trump called for the original VC-25 replacement to be cancelled back in his first term (maybe he cancelled it, I don't know). Acquiring and modifying two a/c would have cost something stupid, like 4 billion or some retarded number. Boeing's replacements for the E-4 are two former 747-8's built for a Russian airline but never left the US. So, we're looking at 4 747-8's, probably all of which are foreign aircraft.

That said, keeping the plane is horseshit. Great, $400 million is "free", but the cost to convert will exceed that amount. There's no world in which he should keep the plane. As much as I hate Qatar, a state sponsor of terrorism, the gift is worth it if We The People keep the plane.

Where I have a problem with this lies in the arms deal we'll give to Qatar. No one rides for free and the Qataris are dirty motherfuckers. State sponsors of terrorism. I can't emphasize that enough.

I don't care what Biden would do or "how would you react if..." takes. This is today. The discussion should boil down to:
- Donating to the museum.
- Cost to the American taxpayer including refurbishment and the physical status of other 747-8's; what would it cost to acquire them?
- How cool are we with sponsoring terrorists, even if they would probably support a war against Iran? Maybe. The CAOC and Al Udeid argument is a whole different can of worms.

ETA: some spelling corrections.

The original contract to convert the two VC-25s to Air Force Ones was a contract of $4B...like how is that even possible? What are we converting? Are we saying the escape pod is real and the comms suite is that expensive? Trump renegotiated the contract, which will lead to Boeing taking a sweet 1B loss by the time one is delivered. But wtf, our procurement and development is completely jacked if it takes this long to deliver a slightly modified plane. Remember, this contract was executed in 2018...it is now 2025.

And now, I present to you, 2028 hopeful and alleged lizard person Gavin Newsom sprinting at full speed away from his party and towards something resembling conservative positions.

https://www.allsides.com/story/hous...vernor-newsom-urges-cities-clear-out-homeless

Uh...since when did he flip flop? https://ktla.com/news/california/ne...es-to-remove-homeless-camps-shares-blueprint/

This is such a weird timeline. I guess his wealthy donors got fed up with dudes shooting up in their front lawn and no police available to remove them?

 

[AWP]

The original contract to convert the two VC-25s to Air Force Ones was a contract of $4B...like how is that even possible?

4 billion is a number I found from 2017 or something way back during Trump's first term.

It is up to 13 billion for 5 aircraft with completion in 2036.

The Airborne Command Post mission is leaving the Navy E-6 platform and the Air Force hadn't even selected a replacement airframe as of last year. We're going to buy a lot of expensive widebody aircraft to update our national level C2 in the next decade.

 

[ThunderHorse]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1922274199214727286

The answer is the Deep State and Jill were running the country. In one sense, this country just runs. It doesn't need an executive. But without an executive the Deep State will shape the country as it has. See DEI, see Trans stuff etc.

The press was complicit with the Democratic Party in running interference. There needs to be a reckoning amongst the Deep State Press apparatus. Biden should have been 25thd or actually never stood for election. But the Democratic Party (Pelosi) wouldn't do what was right for the country.

 

[amlove21]

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Uh...since when did he flip flop? https://ktla.com/news/california/ne...es-to-remove-homeless-camps-shares-blueprint/

This is such a weird timeline. I guess his wealthy donors got fed up with dudes shooting up in their front lawn and no police available to remove them?

It's been sort of a slow move, been happening since his viist to the White House during the Biden turned Harris campaign. He has a podcast (that no one listens to) where he has tried to walk back all his previous positions, he tried bringing on Charlie Kirk and some other more conservative dudes to get closer to the center, if that's a thing anymore.

To be fair, I have no clue if he is even still doing it, or what the analytics are. Every clip of his podcast I have seen was shown to me without my consent.

Just looked- it's not good hahah. apparently he is still releasing episodes, coming in at a 2.9/5 star rating w/ 6k reviews. Our little show has a 4.9/5 rating with 1.1k reviews. Not great for him.

 

[Marauder06]

You know it's bad when even your own Democrat Party has had enough of your shit.

The Democratic National Convention voted to void its election of David Hogg as vice chair of the Democratic Party on Monday.

Democratic National Committee panel voids David Hogg's election as party vice chair

 

[amlove21]

You know it's bad when even your own Democrat Party has had enough of your shit.



Democratic National Committee panel voids David Hogg's election as party vice chair

He committed the cardinal sin of the left- he dared break from party narrative. Also, he's a young white dude... they really don't like that.

 

[amlove21]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1922274199214727286

The answer is the Deep State and Jill were running the country. In one sense, this country just runs. It doesn't need an executive. But without an executive the Deep State will shape the country as it has. See DEI, see Trans stuff etc.

The press was complicit with the Democratic Party in running interference. There needs to be a reckoning amongst the Deep State Press apparatus. Biden should have been 25thd or actually never stood for election. But the Democratic Party (Pelosi) wouldn't do what was right for the country.

This makes me furiously angry. Unreal grift here. Jake Tapper is a liar and a hypocrite of the highest regard.

 

[AWP]

"The White House lied to us about Biden."

Yeah, nah. You carried their water or were too stupid to see what was going on. Pick one. Own it. Then fuck off to the sun. And this goes to any reporter or ANYONE trying to walk back their talking points during the Biden years. You knew it and were too cowardly or beholden to the system to speak up, or you are plain stupid. Your modern mea culpas fall on deaf ears.

 

[amlove21]

"The White House lied to us about Biden."

Yeah, nah. You carried their water or were too stupid to see what was going on. Pick one. Own it. Then fuck off to the sun. And this goes to any reporter or ANYONE trying to walk back their talking points during the Biden years. You knew it and were too cowardly or beholden to the system to speak up, or you are plain stupid. Your modern mea culpas fall on deaf ears.

Surely you'll forgive us for our actions from 2020-now!?

 

[Totentanz]

Boeing's replacements for the E-4 are two former 747-8's built for a Russian airline but never left the US. So, we're looking at 4 747-8's, probably all of which are foreign aircraft.

E-4C or VC-25B? E-4C is a Sierra Nevada contract and involves 5 airframes (747-8) and I believe they’re former Korean airliners…

Air Force’s New ‘Doomsday’ Plane Will Be Converted from Korean Air Passenger Jets

 

[ThunderHorse]

Good take...this is just the media trying to deflect.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1922294449092141238

Mannnnnn, this plane gift is the dumbest from all angles. Watching this story develop over the last 3 days has been the fastest I think I have ever went from "Don't care, take it, whatever" to "Nope, this is horseshit".

Qatar is a terror hub with more money than Pakistan. Qatar had dumped billions, maybe trillions, into funding wack ideologies here in America through academia and NGOs. We shouldn't take foreign money (in this specific context) even if it save us money on the bottom line. Trump isn't taking the plane for personal use when he leaves office, I don't know how many more times we have to play the "BuT tRuMp SaId It" game.

Don't take the plane, it's bad optics, it's a distraction, and it's bad precedent. We are not a serious country.

Qatar has funded anti-fracking movies (and protests).

 

[AWP]

E-4C or VC-25B? E-4C is a Sierra Nevada contract and involves 5 airframes (747-8) and I believe they’re former Korean airliners…

Air Force’s New ‘Doomsday’ Plane Will Be Converted from Korean Air Passenger Jets

I screwed up my numbers. E-4 replacement is 5, VC-25 is 2. The one story I read on a defense website had the blurb about using a/c built for a Russian airline, but never left the factory. It wouldn't surprise me if Boeing found a cheaper source given it is taking a bath on those contracts.

Again, my bad on the quantity. Thank you for the correction.

 

[Marauder06]

He committed the cardinal sin of the left- he dared break from party narrative. Also, he's a young white dude... they really don't like that.

He's also an insufferable asshole and not very smart.

He was useful to the far left when he was a child and they could use him for "WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!" for gun control. But now that he's an adult, and still drunk on his own narcissism, they're starting to realize he's not so useful anymore.

I wonder if this was a shot across the bow for him and they'll let him stick around, or if he's really out at the DNC.

 

[AWP]

I wonder if this was a shot across the bow for him and they'll let him stick around, or if he's really out at the DNC.

Could also be 'pour encourager les autres' in the DNC. If Hogg was the face of a certain movement or ideology, lopping off that head sends a message to the survivors. Maybe someone over there finally woke up and realized the party needs to change? I'm probably giving them too much credit.

 

[Marauder06]

Could also be 'pour encourager les autres' in the DNC. If Hogg was the face of a certain movement or ideology, lopping off that head sends a message to the survivors. Maybe someone over there finally woke up and realized the party needs to change? I'm probably giving them too much credit.

"Woke-ing up" is kind of what got Dems into this position in the first place. ;)

 

[BloodStripe]

Action meets consequence.

Federal grand jury indicts Wisconsin judge over alleged Ice obstruction

“Prosecutors say Dugan escorted Eduardo Flores-Ruiz and his lawyer out of her courtroom through a back jury door on 18 April after learning that US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) agents were in the courthouse seeking his arrest.” As a result she’s now facing up to six years.

 

[amlove21]

Action meets consequence.

Federal grand jury indicts Wisconsin judge over alleged Ice obstruction

“Prosecutors say Dugan escorted Eduardo Flores-Ruiz and his lawyer out of her courtroom through a back jury door on 18 April after learning that US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) agents were in the courthouse seeking his arrest.” As a result she’s now facing up to six years.

And the judge in charge of the trial? Super progressive liberal activist judge Lynn Adelman, a Clinton appointee.

I am sure the judge will be fair, and balanced, and just. /sarc

 

[amlove21]

The resistance to RFK is insane. Listen to this man. Tell me how he isn't the absolute best person for this job. Tell me he doesn't care about America's children.

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[Gunz]

If you're a Kennedy, you're either supposed to be a Liberal or get killed doing something stupid. He ain't with the program.

 

[Topkick]

If you're a Kennedy, you're either supposed to be a Liberal or get killed doing something stupid. He ain't with the program.

He tried, failed at both.