The Trump Presidency 2.0

[Locksteady]

"We're currently clean on OPSEC."

LOL

Vegas odds that they won't let the world's (including bad actors') awareness of how they use Signal stop them from continuing to use it and other unauthorized virtual channels to discuss classified active military ops and other activities/information that have no business leaving a SCIF?

 

[GOTWA]

"Something Something Something...accountability." - SecDef probably.

 

[Cookie_]

I'll say this, I highly doubt SECDEF is scheduling his own calls and sending out meeting invites.

It's weird. Nonetheless, not a good look, accidental, intentional, or otherwise.

It was the National Security Advisor who built it.

The SECDEF just "allegedly" posted classified information in the chat.

"We're currently clean on OPSEC."

LOL

EDIT: I thought this comment was related to his interview, not his texts lol.

Man, if only he had read the article in which the NSC softly confirmed it to be really chats, or at least talked to somebody. There's two options; he's bold faced lying because he doesn't know how to spin it yet, or he doesn't understand OPSEC/PERSEC/INFOSEC

Maybe Pete should redo his cyber awareness.

 

[AWP]

We aren't allowed to have CUI calls unless they are through Teams, meanwhile some people are blatantly posting classified information on commercial messaging apps.

"Y'all got anymore of them bleachware email or Discord servers?"

 

[amlove21]

I just wanna remind everyone of the game afoot- all the admin has to do is send Karoline Leavitt out, say that it’s misinformation and not true, then move on. This is an 18 hour story.

We aren't allowed to have CUI calls unless they are through Teams, meanwhile some people are blatantly posting classified information on commercial messaging apps.

"Y'all got anymore of them bleachware email or Discord servers?"

Yeah! I’m outraged too this the fall of the republic. Fire everyone.

 

[AWP]

I just wanna remind everyone of the game afoot- all the admin has to do is send Karoline Leavitt out, say that it’s misinformation and not true, then move on. This is an 18 hour story.


Yeah! I’m outraged too this the fall of the republic. Fire everyone.

What they did is illegal. Period. Hillary did it, Biden did it, dozens on both sides of the aisles have done it.

Nothing will come of this, but to dismiss it or make light of it is a bit hypocritical. They broke the law.

 

[Cookie_]

I just wanna remind everyone of the game afoot- all the admin has to do is send Karoline Leavitt out, say that it’s misinformation and not true, then move on. This is an 18 hour story.


Yeah! I’m outraged too this the fall of the republic. Fire everyone.

Do you think it's actually misinformation, or are you saying the White House should just message as if it was?

 

[Marauder06]

"We're currently clean on OPSEC."

LOL

Bracing myself for an OPSEC stand-down and/or mandatory force-wide retraining.

 

[amlove21]

What they did is illegal. Period. Hillary did it, Biden did it, dozens on both sides of the aisles have done it.

Nothing will come of this, but to dismiss it or make light of it is a bit hypocritical. They broke the law.

No, I get it. I just wanna be the hypocrisy mirror for this little outrage carousel. Yep, Hillary- illegal. This text chain (once we verify)- illegal. I already said I’m outraged already clutched the pearls and said they should be fired, I don’t care who gets it. While we are at it, ring the reporter up for sedition for sharing national secrets. What happened to Hillary? Nothing. What will happen to the reporter? Nothing. That’s the precedent. Game is what the game is at this point.

Do you think it's actually misinformation, or are you saying the White House should just message as if it was?

I’m saying the White House should follow the lead of the last admin. The texts seem to be authentic, reporting leads me to believe they are- but as we’ve seen these last 4 years, what’s true doesn’t actually matter. The framing does.

BL- meh. Moving on. Nothing will happen even if it should, miss me with the outrage.

 

[Box]

ha - we got the email about 'Signal' having holes in it days ago.
...look over there, its a shiny thing

**POOF**

 

[AWP]

I’m saying the White House should follow the lead of the last admin.

So they can be no better than that trash?

Nah, I'm good.

 

[Marauder06]

I'm assuming for a moment that the initial reporting is 100% accurate--which it almost never is.

How do people in the national security apparatus communicate digitally? I assume the SECDEF and many others have classified phones or whatever. Is it possible that the SECDEF thought he was communicating on the red phone, but put it out on the green phone? I don't know... trying to come up with ways that this isn't a gigantic self-own. We're the US, and we can't do better than the same public app that I use to communicate with members of my shooting club? Pretty pathetic.

I hope there's more to this story that the colossal f-up it appears to be.

 

[amlove21]

So they can be no better than that trash?

Nah, I'm good.

It’s no fun unless everyone plays the game. Cmon, it’ll be fun.

People will pretend to care about “muh standards and norms and ‘tegrity” and then I’ll remind them the entire elected body they’ve supported are the ones that lowered the bar, then we will have some pithy sideline fence sitters come in to say ‘nu uh’, but they don’t wanna help they just wanna dunk on ‘not their side’- it’s our favorite game!

 

[amlove21]

How do people in the national security apparatus communicate digitally? I assume the SECDEF and many others have classified phones or whatever. Is it possible that the SECDEF thought he was communicating on the red phone, but put it out on the green phone? I don't know... trying to come up with ways that this isn't a gigantic self-own. We're the US, and we can't do better than the same public app that I use to communicate with members of my shooting club? Pretty pathetic.

I hope there's more to this story that the colossal f-up it appears to be.

Mannnnnn I didn’t even want to get into this.

Let’s say you’re deployed to Africa. Let’s say you’re doing FID and some other things, and the only way you contact your partner forces through WhatsApp. They don’t have or use anything else and they also don’t know what the crap OPSEC is. So you end up on about 200 WhatsApp chains on your personal phone (because the command in its infinite wisdom didn’t get burners for you), and a lot of the information on there is at least sensitive.

Oh I forgot to mention that for all your ‘encryption’ and double speak and tradecraft none of that matters because the entire architecture you’re talking on is Chinese owned and operated because they own the cell service in Africa.

Now pretend all the teams do that in every country in Africa in every command to this day. Every flight schedule every show time every team engagement.

And it all flows through a single point- China- and out into the world.

Anyway here’s wonderwall.

 

[Cookie_]

I’m saying the White House should follow the lead of the last admin. The texts seem to be authentic, reporting leads me to believe they are- but as we’ve seen these last 4 years, what’s true doesn’t actually matter. The framing does.

I agree framing matters, I disagree they should follow the last administration's playback.

Seems like this is a good chance for Trump to demonstrate he is serious and holds his staff accountable, unlike the last adadministration.

I'm assuming for a moment that the initial reporting is 100% accurate--which it almost never is.

How do people in the national security apparatus communicate digitally? I assume the SECDEF and many others have classified phones or whatever. Is it possible that the SECDEF thought he was communicating on the red phone, but put it out on the green phone? I don't know... trying to come up with ways that this isn't a gigantic self-own. We're the US, and we can't do better than the same public app that I use to communicate with members of my shooting club? Pretty pathetic.

I hope there's more to this story that the colossal f-up it appears to be.

Never been cool enough to have a red phone, so maybe I'm wrong; wouldn't Signal still be improper for that case? There's nothing that would prevent me from having my Signal account on a red phone also installed on a civilian desktop.

 

[amlove21]

I agree framing matters, I disagree they should follow the last administration's playback.

Seems like this is a good chance for Trump to demonstrate he is serious and holds his staff accountable, unlike the last adadministration.

From a political strategy optic- lol nah. Hilarious to even think about. “Literal Hitler showed leadership; World Heals” read the Times.

Conversations like this remind me of Hiroo Onoda. Just fighting for a set of ideals, alone, while the rest of the world moved on, and the ideals you’re fighting for long gone. It feels righteous to some, I’m sire1 but you’re just a dude alone in the woods, winning a game no one else is bothering to play.

He should issue one statement, less than 240 characters.

“Mistakes happen they’ve been counseled moving on.”

 

[Locksteady]

We're the US, and we can't do better than the same public app that I use to communicate with members of my shooting club?

Less can't, more won't, I say.

I also doubt their using it to communicate wouldn't have been as big an issue if they also weren't using it to exchange classified information about an imminent counterterrorism op or, say, the identity of one of their own spies.

 

[Cookie_]

From a political strategy optic- lol nah. Hilarious to even think about. “Literal Hitler showed leadership; World Heals” read the Times.

Conversations like this remind me of Hiroo Onoda. Just fighting for a set of ideals, alone, while the rest of the world moved on, and the ideals you’re fighting for long gone. It feels righteous to some, I’m sire1 but you’re just a dude alone in the woods, winning a game no one else is bothering to play.

He should issue one statement, less than 240 characters.

“Mistakes happen they’ve been counseled moving on.”

Yeah, I'm not saying it'll make Dems happy. It's more so a show to the base, those who are center left/right, and those who sat out last election that he's the "professional".

I think even your ending statement would fulfill that for most of the above listed group.

 

[amlove21]

Yeah, I'm not saying it'll make Dems happy. It's more so a show to the base, those who are center left/right, and those who sat out last election that he's the "professional".

I think even your ending statement would fulfill that for most of the above listed group.

It wouldn’t even make this board happy, let alone ‘the base’ or people on the fence.

No one is protesting here. This won’t even rise to the level of anyone calling their elected official and call for accountability.

It’s virtue signaling. “I care about OPSEC and this is a CRIME!” they typed, taking no further action other than calling each other lil names.

If there were secrets shared on a non-approved message app and you got caught? Cool, we all agree that’s retarded. Counsel everyone and hold that non-whistleblower protected reporter to the same standard we all hold for Snowden. Information was true and verified? Yep. Did you use the system correctly? Nope. Ok, you’re guilty of sedition (in Snowden’s case it’s treason). Ring him up, counsel or fire whoever made the group chat.

Now what if I told you *every politician and appointed official is fucking retarded and pretending they should be held to your own personal standard (by either defending OR SUPPORTING these retards) makes YOU retarded*? Cause that’s what this is.

 

[Marauder06]

I agree framing matters, I disagree they should follow the last administration's playback.

Seems like this is a good chance for Trump to demonstrate he is serious and holds his staff accountable, unlike the last administration.

Never been cool enough to have a red phone, so maybe I'm wrong; wouldn't Signal still be improper for that case? There's nothing that would prevent me from having my Signal account on a red phone also installed on a civilian desktop.

I'm not sure. I imagine if the device is secure, the means of comms on it are also secure. Otherwise why use it?

Many years ago, when my father was in charge of TFO, he had a secure phone at our house (STE? STU? IDK). I didn't know what it was, he never talked about it, I never saw him use it, and I didn't know what it was until years later when I was in the community. So this type of thing has been around for a long time.

I never had a cool-guy comms device either. Back when I was in JSOC, we had unclass pagers. The pager went off, we came into the office and got on JWICS.