The Trump Presidency 2.0

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From a political strategy optic- lol nah. Hilarious to even think about. “Literal Hitler showed leadership; World Heals” read the Times.

Conversations like this remind me of Hiroo Onoda. Just fighting for a set of ideals, alone, while the rest of the world moved on, and the ideals you’re fighting for long gone. It feels righteous to some, I’m sire1 but you’re just a dude alone in the woods, winning a game no one else is bothering to play.

He should issue one statement, less than 240 characters.

“Mistakes happen they’ve been counseled moving on.”

Yeah, I'm not saying it'll make Dems happy. It's more so a show to the base, those who are center left/right, and those who sat out last election that he's the "professional".

I think even your ending statement would fulfill that for most of the above listed group.

 

[amlove21]

Yeah, I'm not saying it'll make Dems happy. It's more so a show to the base, those who are center left/right, and those who sat out last election that he's the "professional".

I think even your ending statement would fulfill that for most of the above listed group.

It wouldn’t even make this board happy, let alone ‘the base’ or people on the fence.

No one is protesting here. This won’t even rise to the level of anyone calling their elected official and call for accountability.

It’s virtue signaling. “I care about OPSEC and this is a CRIME!” they typed, taking no further action other than calling each other lil names.

If there were secrets shared on a non-approved message app and you got caught? Cool, we all agree that’s retarded. Counsel everyone and hold that non-whistleblower protected reporter to the same standard we all hold for Snowden. Information was true and verified? Yep. Did you use the system correctly? Nope. Ok, you’re guilty of sedition (in Snowden’s case it’s treason). Ring him up, counsel or fire whoever made the group chat.

Now what if I told you *every politician and appointed official is fucking retarded and pretending they should be held to your own personal standard (by either defending OR SUPPORTING these retards) makes YOU retarded*? Cause that’s what this is.

 

[Marauder06]

I agree framing matters, I disagree they should follow the last administration's playback.

Seems like this is a good chance for Trump to demonstrate he is serious and holds his staff accountable, unlike the last administration.

Never been cool enough to have a red phone, so maybe I'm wrong; wouldn't Signal still be improper for that case? There's nothing that would prevent me from having my Signal account on a red phone also installed on a civilian desktop.

I'm not sure. I imagine if the device is secure, the means of comms on it are also secure. Otherwise why use it?

Many years ago, when my father was in charge of TFO, he had a secure phone at our house (STE? STU? IDK). I didn't know what it was, he never talked about it, I never saw him use it, and I didn't know what it was until years later when I was in the community. So this type of thing has been around for a long time.

I never had a cool-guy comms device either. Back when I was in JSOC, we had unclass pagers. The pager went off, we came into the office and got on JWICS.

 

[amlove21]

You don’t even need 2 phones anymore, @Marauder06 . I had a ‘work phone’ for most of my career, and even the 2 shop would tell you it’s as secure as the network you’re talking on.

All that talk about WICKR earlier- secure messaging approved by AFSOC, on your personal phone, on a network owned by China.

I want to make this super clear- in no way am I using the argument “This happens all the time”. That’s a dumb reductive argument. But I am also not looking at this situation as if it exists in a silo completely and totally separate from the long history of OPSEC/sensitive material mishandling.

Again- burn everyone to the ground over this. I do not care. Strip their clearances, find another SECDEF, put people in jail. None of that will happen, so the question I’ll ask (like a million times in different threads) is this.

Why do you care about this now as if the sky is falling? Could it be you don’t like the people doing it and you were totally willing to extend all the grace in the world over this sort of thing until about 48 hours ago when this story broke?

 

[Box]

I pour "whataboutism" all over my pancakes...
...I sweeten my coffee with it
Hell, when I go TDY - I use it as hand lotion.

Whatabout that time when your guy did the same thing as my guy that did the same thing as your other guy that did the same thing as my other guy that did the same thing as those other guys that did that thing?
That shit was FUCKED up - except for the times when my guys did it for all the right reasons.

I'm outraged - for sure - I just don't care anymore.
...because it's MY guys doing it now

Rinse and Repeat

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Why do you care about this now as if the sky is falling? Could it be you don’t like the people doing it and you were totally willing to extend all the grace in the world over this sort of thing until about 48 hours ago when this story broke?

I’ve worried about the sky falling under every president I can remember, and I’ve never been one to “extend all the grace” just because it was “my guy.”

I voted for this guy knowing what I was signing up for (or so I thought), and I still believe I’m better off than I would’ve been with the alternative.

Sometimes, the emperor has no clothes—Trump and this administration have been exposed from the start—and I find it baffling that calling that out gets me labeled as disingenuous or hypocritical.

No one here will ever convince me that if Kamala and her team had won and made the same decisions, especially this last debacle by our Secretary of Defense, many of the same people defending Trump now would be losing their minds with outrage and finger-pointing.

It’s still okay to hold our own side accountable. Or are we so insecure that doing so embarrasses us just because it might make the other side feel like they scored a point?

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph.

 

[amlove21]

I’ve worried about the sky falling under every president I can remember, and I’ve never been one to “extend all the grace” just because it was “my guy.”

I voted for this guy knowing what I was signing up for (or so I thought), and I still believe I’m better off than I would’ve been with the alternative.

Sometimes, the emperor has no clothes—Trump and this administration have been exposed from the start—and I find it baffling that calling that out gets me labeled as disingenuous or hypocritical.

No one here will ever convince me that if Kamala and her team had won and made the same decisions, especially this last debacle by our Secretary of Defense, many of the same people defending Trump now would be losing their minds with outrage and finger-pointing.

It’s still okay to hold our own side accountable. Or are we so insecure that doing so embarrasses us just because it might make the other side feel like they scored a point?

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph.

Well that’s what happens when you make the tactical error of defending politicians. They’re (I mean this literally) all garbage people. We just get caught up in grading them on a sliding scale from “wants to murder children” to “slept with a Chinese operative for two years and was hard compromised” to “insider stock trading and threatening to kill journalists on video.” It’s all very nuanced grading we give to some of the worst people, held to a standard no one satisfies.

I agree with the ‘sides’ part of your argument, but I disagree with the intent. It’s not left/right, it’s the American people/the entire elected (and unelected) government.

 

[RackMaster]

ha - we got the email about 'Signal' having holes in it days ago.
...look over there, its a shiny thing

**POOF**

I wonder if this was done on purpose to burn Signal use down for everyone.

Unless the device your using has built in crypto or a connected crypto device, plus all end users have the same equipment. Nothing is secure and that's been proven numerous times.

I didn't go into this to deep, don't want to. Did the reporter ever make an effort to contact anyone in that chat or anyone from the administration before publishing?

 

[Cookie_]

I wonder if this was done on purpose to burn Signal use down for everyone.

Unless the device your using has built in crypto or a connected crypto device, plus all end users have the same equipment. Nothing is secure and that's been proven numerous times.

I didn't go into this to deep, don't want to. Did the reporter ever make an effort to contact anyone in that chat or anyone from the administration before publishing?

The reporter messaged the National Security Advisor through signal directly, then him and all other parties via email/offical communications prior to publication of the article.

The NSC responded before publication to say (paraphrasing) "it looks authentic and we'll investigate how someone was added".

 

[RackMaster]

The reporter messaged the National Security Advisor through signal directly, then him and all other parties via email/offical communications prior to publication of the article.

The NSC responded before publication to say (paraphrasing) "it looks authentic and we'll investigate how someone was added".

Thanks.

 

[Topkick]

I pour "whataboutism" all over my pancakes...
...I sweeten my coffee with it

I've said similar things many times on here about whataboutism. I think it matters. Not necessarily on this board, but I've noticed a lot of those outraged about whataboutism are the first to go all whataboutism.

 

[amlove21]

I wonder if this was done on purpose to burn Signal use down for everyone.

Unless the device your using has built in crypto or a connected crypto device, plus all end users have the same equipment. Nothing is secure and that's been proven numerous times.

I didn't go into this to deep, don't want to. Did the reporter ever make an effort to contact anyone in that chat or anyone from the administration before publishing?

Nope!

And (I haven’t addressed any of the background info yet cause it’ll come out) don’t start noticing. Bad Rack.

The string wasn’t a work, they accidentally added an anti-Trump reporter because stupid, the responses definitely weren’t scripted, and the highest level of government often has open debate over a strike that was already approved via text. The NSC already said it was verified, and they’re a government agency full of experts. We already know everything about this.

First 20:00. Trump Admin Accidentally LEAKED War Plans To Liberal Journalist, But It May Be HOAX w/ Bradley Devlin

 

[amlove21]

In the interest of dogpiling and chewing gum and walking- this is a disgusting pick for CDC. Her record is awful, her quotes are worse.

I don’t often do this, but I’m giving this one a -3.

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[amlove21]

And here is a super fun story that I couldn't care less about. There are about 700 reasons to dislike Jasmine Crockett, possibly the dumbest elected official we have. This story is a nothing burger and does not matter. I don't get mad when Jasmine Crockett says dumb things in the same way as I don't get mad at dogs for barking. Dogs bark. Stupid people say stupid things.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/worl...ot-wheels-internet-fumes-101742915252091.html

 

[amlove21]

Russian operative and DNI Tulsi verifies the chat was real, she was on it, no OPSEC shared.

Gabbard says no classified info revealed on group chat of top intel officials, in Senate grilling

 

[AWP]

Russian operative and DNI Tulsi verifies the chat was real, she was on it, no OPSEC shared.

Gabbard says no classified info revealed on group chat of top intel officials, in Senate grilling

So the strike details as reported aren't classified? Now Air Tasking Orders are unclass?

We've both seen dozens if not hundreds of ATOs. I can never recall one being unclassified. The details alleged in the chat absolutely have to be classified because they always were going back to my time supporting the air war in 2004; 2025 is different? Timing, aircraft, munitions...that isn't OPSEC? Pure bullshit.

Nothing will come of this but anyone accepting this argument is kind of retarded. I have never seen an unclassified ATO in CENTCOM/ AFCENT, but now they are okay? No fucking way, Tulsi, not unless someone declassified it after the fact.

 

[Box]

So wait - am I to understand that some of the same folks that don't want to make the Epstein client list public because 'muh national security also want us to make group chats public so we can ALL read chat logs that may or may not be compromising 'muh national security
...I feel like this is either a joke, or an example of congressionally endorsed whataboutism

Either way - fuck it - I'm in - lets see it ALL - release the unredacted signal chat texts with the unredacted Epstein client list

I.AM.OUTRAGED.

 

[amlove21]

So the strike details as reported aren't classified? Now Air Tasking Orders are unclass?

We've both seen dozens if not hundreds of ATOs. I can never recall one being unclassified. The details alleged in the chat absolutely have to be classified because they always were going back to my time supporting the air war in 2004; 2025 is different? Timing, aircraft, munitions...that isn't OPSEC? Pure bullshit.

Nothing will come of this but anyone accepting this argument is kind of retarded. I have never seen an unclassified ATO in CENTCOM/ AFCENT, but now they are okay? No fucking way, Tulsi, not unless someone declassified it after the fact.

Gotta talk to her about it bro, I didn't make the claim, I wasn't there, and I won't defend something that was said if those first two gates aren't met.

 

[amlove21]

So wait - am I to understand that some of the same folks that don't want to make the Epstein client list public because 'muh national security also want us to make group chats public so we can ALL read chat logs that may or may not be compromising 'muh national security
...I feel like this is either a joke, or an example of congressionally endorsed whataboutism

Either way - fuck it - I'm in - lets see it ALL - release the unredacted signal chat texts with the unredacted Epstein client list

I.AM.OUTRAGED.

STOP NOTICING. It'll get you in trouble.

 

[AWP]

Gotta talk to her about it bro, I didn't make the claim, I wasn't there, and I won't defend something that was said if those first two gates aren't met.

100% onboard with this take.

My energetic pushback throughout this story is to drive home the point that this was wrong. Illegal. Anyone supporting it or spinning it is accepting and supporting of multiple felonies. The same as Hillary. The same as Biden's corvette. The same as that clown with "docs in socks." (Suess was born too early for that one) We put politicians and political parties on pedestals and then they remind us they have different rules than us peasants.

We need to stop worshiping these people and their groups. "My guy" is a fucking turd, the same as "their guy."

You mentioned how people won't do anything. I'll put my money where my mouth is. Within 7 days I will post my email to the elected officials (US Rep. and Senators) of where I live. I challenge other members to do the same. The crickets will be deafening.