The Trump Presidency 2.0

[Grunt]

So the strike details as reported aren't classified? Now Air Tasking Orders are unclass?

We've both seen dozens if not hundreds of ATOs. I can never recall one being unclassified. The details alleged in the chat absolutely have to be classified because they always were going back to my time supporting the air war in 2004; 2025 is different? Timing, aircraft, munitions...that isn't OPSEC? Pure bullshit.

Nothing will come of this but anyone accepting this argument is kind of retarded. I have never seen an unclassified ATO in CENTCOM/ AFCENT, but now they are okay? No fucking way, Tulsi, not unless someone declassified it after the fact.

Much of the "masses" sincerely don't have a clue as to what's classified or not. I truly believe the news cycle is catering to them rather than those of us who have a clue. Nonetheless, it's embarrassing...

 

[AWP]

Since some of you may not know me, if anyone needs to me to establish my bonafides, LFG. I was the cybersecurity guy (ISSO) for AFCENT's C2 node for 5 years.

 

[amlove21]

100% onboard with this take.

My energetic pushback throughout this story is to drive home the point that this was wrong. Illegal. Anyone supporting it or spinning it is accepting and supporting of multiple felonies. The same as Hillary. The same as Biden's corvette. The same as that clown with "docs in socks." (Suess was born to early for that one) We put politicians and political on pedestals and then they remind us they have different rules than us peasants.

We need to stop worshiping these people and their groups. "My guy" is a fucking turd, the same as "their guy."

You mentioned how people won't do anything. I'll put my money where my mouth is. Within 7 days I will post my email to the elected officials (US Rep. and Senators) of where I live. I challenge other members to do the same. The crickets will be deafening.

Illegal! Can't use that word, cancelled. There are no illegal group chats, man. They're just group chats trying to do their best. In this case, these undocumented group chats are bombing Yemen.

 

[Cookie_]

Now I'm not a journalist who might need to maintain decorum; I'm just a smartass who likes to play chicken when given the chance.

If the offical response from DNI/SECDEF/WH is that there was nothing classified in the chats, Goldberg should go ahead and publish them.

Hell, he can even redact out the units/munitions/times/targets if he wants; publish them.

 

[AWP]

Illegal! Can't use that word, cancelled. There are no illegal group chats, man. They're just group chats trying to do their best. In this case, these undocumented group chats are bombing Yemen.

They are out there living their best lives. I guess if we can accept "body positivity" until Ozempic is available to the masses we should accept "information positivity" until better encryption is available?

Fuck it, I'm in.

 

[Grunt]

They are out there living their best lives. I guess if we can accept "body positivity" until Ozempic is available to the masses we should accept "information positivity" until better encryption is available?

Fuck it, I'm in.

Get you some of that bitter tasting blue pill my friend...

 

[amlove21]

They are out there living their best lives. I guess if we can accept "body positivity" until Ozempic is available to the masses we should accept "information positivity" until better encryption is available?

Fuck it, I'm in.

lol. I would like to see some other form of weight loss in regards to those chats, if the initial reporting holds up. In the form of an immediate 200lb hole in the position they previously occupied.

 

[Topkick]

Dems on FOX just asked if Hegseth was drunk texting.

 

[Box]

That's funny - I don't care who you are.

 

[Topkick]

That's funny - I don't care who you are.

And I actually had to consider it for a second...

 

[RackMaster]

Dems on FOX just asked if Hegseth was drunk texting.

You mean, we're supposed to be sober?

 

[AWP]

You mean, we're supposed to be sober?

We are until DOGE catches

Wait.

 

[GOTWA]

Mannnnnn I didn’t even want to get into this.

Let’s say you’re deployed to Africa. Let’s say you’re doing FID and some other things, and the only way you contact your partner forces through WhatsApp. They don’t have or use anything else and they also don’t know what the crap OPSEC is. So you end up on about 200 WhatsApp chains on your personal phone (because the command in its infinite wisdom didn’t get burners for you), and a lot of the information on there is at least sensitive.

Oh I forgot to mention that for all your ‘encryption’ and double speak and tradecraft none of that matters because the entire architecture you’re talking on is Chinese owned and operated because they own the cell service in Africa.

Now pretend all the teams do that in every country in Africa in every command to this day. Every flight schedule every show time every team engagement.

And it all flows through a single point- China- and out into the world.

Anyway here’s wonderwall.

That's great and all, but this is in America. The operational environment isn't the same and I know exactly where you're coming from, because I've been there myself.

“Mistakes happen they’ve been counseled moving on.”

This should've been the take from the get go. You say, "We value transparency and accountability. We're looking into this and anyone wrongdoing will be addressed in the proper channels."

Done.

You don’t even need 2 phones anymore, @Marauder06 . I had a ‘work phone’ for most of my career, and even the 2 shop would tell you it’s as secure as the network you’re talking on.

All that talk about WICKR earlier- secure messaging approved by AFSOC, on your personal phone, on a network owned by China.

I want to make this super clear- in no way am I using the argument “This happens all the time”. That’s a dumb reductive argument. But I am also not looking at this situation as if it exists in a silo completely and totally separate from the long history of OPSEC/sensitive material mishandling.

Again- burn everyone to the ground over this. I do not care. Strip their clearances, find another SECDEF, put people in jail. None of that will happen, so the question I’ll ask (like a million times in different threads) is this.

Why do you care about this now as if the sky is falling? Could it be you don’t like the people doing it and you were totally willing to extend all the grace in the world over this sort of thing until about 48 hours ago when this story broke?

This isn't about what was said, it was the message that was sent to everyone they're in charge of....rules for thee but not for me. This is a loss of confidence scenario, hands down.

Gotta talk to her about it bro, I didn't make the claim, I wasn't there, and I won't defend something that was said if those first two gates aren't met.

Someone needs to go back to OCA training.

https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/DD/issuances/dodm/520045m.pdf

Also OPSEC doesn't cover classified info. So there's that.

Since some of you may not know me, if anyone needs to me to establish my bonafides, LFG. I was the cybersecurity guy (ISSO) for AFCENT's C2 node for 5 years.

I think you're the only one that I engage with regularly outside of this forum and I'll vouch for this. And I, as a regular security dude, say this was 100% handled the wrong way.

 

[amlove21]

@GOTWA too long/weird to quote/reply- ok. I agree with everything I said on the matter, I made some great points.

Does Trump saying "He's doing his best" count? lol

 

[757]

Dems on FOX just asked if Hegseth was drunk texting.

#WhiskeyLeaks

 

[amlove21]

Anyone find the full readouts of the signal chat? As in, all the messages?

 

[Cookie_]

Anyone find the full readouts of the signal chat? As in, all the messages?

I haven't, but i also haven't gone looking.

Last I saw was Tulsi stating it was under NSC investigation so they wouldn't release the texts on their end and Goldberg saying he was consulting with lawyers and colleagues before he'd do it on his end.

Stalemate, so NSTR.

 

[757]

 

[Ooh-Rah]

 

[ThunderHorse]

You don’t even need 2 phones anymore, @Marauder06 . I had a ‘work phone’ for most of my career, and even the 2 shop would tell you it’s as secure as the network you’re talking on.

All that talk about WICKR earlier- secure messaging approved by AFSOC, on your personal phone, on a network owned by China.

I want to make this super clear- in no way am I using the argument “This happens all the time”. That’s a dumb reductive argument. But I am also not looking at this situation as if it exists in a silo completely and totally separate from the long history of OPSEC/sensitive material mishandling.

Again- burn everyone to the ground over this. I do not care. Strip their clearances, find another SECDEF, put people in jail. None of that will happen, so the question I’ll ask (like a million times in different threads) is this.

Why do you care about this now as if the sky is falling? Could it be you don’t like the people doing it and you were totally willing to extend all the grace in the world over this sort of thing until about 48 hours ago when this story broke?

Why the hell the Army went to iPhones for their work phones instead of keep Crackberry alive I know not. But let's not act like the SecDef's secure cell phone is loaded with crypto from a hardcase computer like an AN/PRC-163...

When I was testing the AN/PRC-155, it would take 30 minutes to load those things...think about how insane that is. It would take your commo guy basically two whole days to fill the amount of radios we had in our troop.

And here is a super fun story that I couldn't care less about. There are about 700 reasons to dislike Jasmine Crockett, possibly the dumbest elected official we have. This story is a nothing burger and does not matter. I don't get mad when Jasmine Crockett says dumb things in the same way as I don't get mad at dogs for barking. Dogs bark. Stupid people say stupid things.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/worl...ot-wheels-internet-fumes-101742915252091.html

Greg Abbott is an awesome governor and Jazzy Juice should make the wrong turn off a cliff or something. She clearly doesn't have a lot of brain cells.

Mannnnnn I didn’t even want to get into this.

Let’s say you’re deployed to Africa. Let’s say you’re doing FID and some other things, and the only way you contact your partner forces through WhatsApp. They don’t have or use anything else and they also don’t know what the crap OPSEC is. So you end up on about 200 WhatsApp chains on your personal phone (because the command in its infinite wisdom didn’t get burners for you), and a lot of the information on there is at least sensitive.

Oh I forgot to mention that for all your ‘encryption’ and double speak and tradecraft none of that matters because the entire architecture you’re talking on is Chinese owned and operated because they own the cell service in Africa.

Now pretend all the teams do that in every country in Africa in every command to this day. Every flight schedule every show time every team engagement.

And it all flows through a single point- China- and out into the world.

Anyway here’s wonderwall.

WhatsApp for Desktop because eff paying for Slack.