The Trump Presidency 2.0

amlove21 said:
Mannnnnn I didn’t even want to get into this.

Let’s say you’re deployed to Africa. Let’s say you’re doing FID and some other things, and the only way you contact your partner forces through WhatsApp. They don’t have or use anything else and they also don’t know what the crap OPSEC is. So you end up on about 200 WhatsApp chains on your personal phone (because the command in its infinite wisdom didn’t get burners for you), and a lot of the information on there is at least sensitive.

Oh I forgot to mention that for all your ‘encryption’ and double speak and tradecraft none of that matters because the entire architecture you’re talking on is Chinese owned and operated because they own the cell service in Africa.

Now pretend all the teams do that in every country in Africa in every command to this day. Every flight schedule every show time every team engagement.

And it all flows through a single point- China- and out into the world.

Anyway here’s wonderwall.
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That's great and all, but this is in America. The operational environment isn't the same and I know exactly where you're coming from, because I've been there myself.

amlove21 said:
“Mistakes happen they’ve been counseled moving on.”
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This should've been the take from the get go. You say, "We value transparency and accountability. We're looking into this and anyone wrongdoing will be addressed in the proper channels."

Done.

amlove21 said:
You don’t even need 2 phones anymore, @Marauder06 . I had a ‘work phone’ for most of my career, and even the 2 shop would tell you it’s as secure as the network you’re talking on.

All that talk about WICKR earlier- secure messaging approved by AFSOC, on your personal phone, on a network owned by China.

I want to make this super clear- in no way am I using the argument “This happens all the time”. That’s a dumb reductive argument. But I am also not looking at this situation as if it exists in a silo completely and totally separate from the long history of OPSEC/sensitive material mishandling.

Again- burn everyone to the ground over this. I do not care. Strip their clearances, find another SECDEF, put people in jail. None of that will happen, so the question I’ll ask (like a million times in different threads) is this.

Why do you care about this now as if the sky is falling? Could it be you don’t like the people doing it and you were totally willing to extend all the grace in the world over this sort of thing until about 48 hours ago when this story broke?
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This isn't about what was said, it was the message that was sent to everyone they're in charge of....rules for thee but not for me. This is a loss of confidence scenario, hands down.

amlove21 said:
Gotta talk to her about it bro, I didn't make the claim, I wasn't there, and I won't defend something that was said if those first two gates aren't met.
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Someone needs to go back to OCA training.

https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/DD/issuances/dodm/520045m.pdf

Also OPSEC doesn't cover classified info. So there's that.

AWP said:
Since some of you may not know me, if anyone needs to me to establish my bonafides, LFG. I was the cybersecurity guy (ISSO) for AFCENT's C2 node for 5 years.
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I think you're the only one that I engage with regularly outside of this forum and I'll vouch for this. And I, as a regular security dude, say this was 100% handled the wrong way.
 
amlove21 said:
Anyone find the full readouts of the signal chat? As in, all the messages?
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I haven't, but i also haven't gone looking.

Last I saw was Tulsi stating it was under NSC investigation so they wouldn't release the texts on their end and Goldberg saying he was consulting with lawyers and colleagues before he'd do it on his end.

Stalemate, so NSTR.
 
amlove21 said:
You don’t even need 2 phones anymore, @Marauder06 . I had a ‘work phone’ for most of my career, and even the 2 shop would tell you it’s as secure as the network you’re talking on.

All that talk about WICKR earlier- secure messaging approved by AFSOC, on your personal phone, on a network owned by China.

I want to make this super clear- in no way am I using the argument “This happens all the time”. That’s a dumb reductive argument. But I am also not looking at this situation as if it exists in a silo completely and totally separate from the long history of OPSEC/sensitive material mishandling.

Again- burn everyone to the ground over this. I do not care. Strip their clearances, find another SECDEF, put people in jail. None of that will happen, so the question I’ll ask (like a million times in different threads) is this.

Why do you care about this now as if the sky is falling? Could it be you don’t like the people doing it and you were totally willing to extend all the grace in the world over this sort of thing until about 48 hours ago when this story broke?
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Why the hell the Army went to iPhones for their work phones instead of keep Crackberry alive I know not. But let's not act like the SecDef's secure cell phone is loaded with crypto from a hardcase computer like an AN/PRC-163...

When I was testing the AN/PRC-155, it would take 30 minutes to load those things...think about how insane that is. It would take your commo guy basically two whole days to fill the amount of radios we had in our troop.

amlove21 said:
And here is a super fun story that I couldn't care less about. There are about 700 reasons to dislike Jasmine Crockett, possibly the dumbest elected official we have. This story is a nothing burger and does not matter. I don't get mad when Jasmine Crockett says dumb things in the same way as I don't get mad at dogs for barking. Dogs bark. Stupid people say stupid things.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/worl...ot-wheels-internet-fumes-101742915252091.html
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Greg Abbott is an awesome governor and Jazzy Juice should make the wrong turn off a cliff or something. She clearly doesn't have a lot of brain cells.

amlove21 said:
Mannnnnn I didn’t even want to get into this.

Let’s say you’re deployed to Africa. Let’s say you’re doing FID and some other things, and the only way you contact your partner forces through WhatsApp. They don’t have or use anything else and they also don’t know what the crap OPSEC is. So you end up on about 200 WhatsApp chains on your personal phone (because the command in its infinite wisdom didn’t get burners for you), and a lot of the information on there is at least sensitive.

Oh I forgot to mention that for all your ‘encryption’ and double speak and tradecraft none of that matters because the entire architecture you’re talking on is Chinese owned and operated because they own the cell service in Africa.

Now pretend all the teams do that in every country in Africa in every command to this day. Every flight schedule every show time every team engagement.

And it all flows through a single point- China- and out into the world.

Anyway here’s wonderwall.
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WhatsApp for Desktop because eff paying for Slack.
 
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I loved my Blackberry, hated carrying one and my Motorola pager, at the same time. But cell service was shit back then and the iridium pager was more reliable.

Blackberry died because both our governments started buying "cheaper", dumb user friendly, smartphones. And they focused on Enterprise customers and not expanding into the consumer market at the same time. If our government had learned it's lesson from Nortel, we should have been supportive of Blackberry; instead of buying iPhones built in China by tiny slave hands.
 
According to Fox, this is what was released.
Atlantic reporter publishes more texts about attack on Houthi targets

"TEAM UPDATE: TIME NOW (1144et): Weather is FAVORABLE. Just CONFIRMED w/CENTCOM we are a GO for mission launch. 1215et: F-18s LAUNCH (1st strike package). 1345: ‘Trigger Based’ F-18 1st Strike Window Starts (Target Terrorist is @ his Known Location so SHOULD BE ON TIME – also, Strike Drones Launch (MQ-9s)," Hegseth apparently wrote in a screenshot of a text message released Wednesday
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"1410: More F-18s LAUNCH (2nd strike package). 1415: Strike Drones on Target (THIS IS WHEN THE FIRST BOMBS WILL DEFINITELY DROP, pending earlier ‘Trigger Based’ targets). 1536 F-18 2nd Strike Starts – also, first sea-based Tomahawks launched," Hegseth reportedly continued, before adding "Godspeed to our Warriors."
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I would consider that to be classified at a Secret REL level but 1) I'm not the SECDEF and 2) I don't have the ATO's security classification guide (which would be unclassified, assuming one exists).
 
I'm not gonna type this in all caps- but I am not fucking with you here. This message is not me being a dick or setting up a gotcha.

I just read the entire signal chat- @AWP in your estimation, can you make the case for a no-shit spillage there? OPSEC is a no brainer- times, places, actions. @GOTWA you mentioned Tulsi would have to take her OCA again when she said there was no spillage here- is there a specific section that's a home run? Again, I stress I am not joking, I have no clue as to how the IT game works except from end user.

I thought folks had seen the entire chat already, but the Atlantic drop was an hour ago. Are there any products on the thread? Did someone share a COF?

***I am not making this case***, but I will call the spin right now. Coupled with the already bubbling "Look at the actual messages- high-level officials having adult conversations about second- and third-order effects, the adults are back in charge, and the signal leak is better optics vs total cost of the scandal" narrative, people are 100% going to start nitpicking OPSEC vs spillage.

"It didn't say WHAT F-18s in WHICH package- the ATO isn't for release so of course we didn't specify, that's bad OPSEC but not what the Dems are making it seem." That's the next iteration of this one.

ETA- Watlz and other surrogates posting exactly what I said- "Waltz wrote on X "No locations. No sources & methods. NO WAR PLANS. Foreign partners had already been notified that strikes were imminent. BOTTOM LINE: President Trump is protecting America and our interests." I didn't call it before it happened, but I also hadn't checked the news before I did... -1 to myself
 
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