The Trump Presidency 2.0

Florida173 said:
What did Trump do to get an American to be the next Pope?
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Clearly it was a clever bid by the Vatican Cardinals to try and avoid Trumps 10% tariff on indulgences. Sarc

"'Their prayers clearly worked better than the pope’s,' bragged Trump, who is a strong supporter of the U.S. prayer industrial complex."

:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
Kraut783 said:
So, is the Vatican going to take in immigrants/ refugees? Or just preach about immigration……
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Leo chatting about Immigration already? Or we referring to Francis nonsense? Vatican citizenship is incredibly exclusive. It's tied to work status and if you live in the Vatican, so if you are non-Clergy that gets revoked the moment you move out. Children of Vatican employees have citizenship if they reside in the Vatican, but they only hold that citizenship for as long as they live there. Pretty exclusive passport.
 
Kraut783 said:
"Leo chatting about Immigration already?"

Not yet, but it's on the horizon...

Pope Leo unhappy with US immigration policy and won’t stay silent, brother says​

John Prevost says his brother is middle-of-the-road but shares Pope Francis’s concerns about Trump’s policy

Pope Leo unhappy with US immigration policy and won’t stay silent, brother says
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Ah yes, guy's brother wants 15 minutes of fame. Gonna be great, this will be a very American Papacy then. His whole family will yap. Maybe because Francis was from Argentina, but I don't remember his family trying to get theirs. Sigh.

But yes, I could give a rip. I have a lot of empathy for people wanting a better life, my grandfather chose to serve in Korea and it changed the whole outlook for his eventual family. The Army allowed me to get an education and be in a different place than my father. However, the dangers of trying to come here are so well publicized it's clear that the risks are somehow still worth the reward for them. Yet the volume of people illegally immigrating are not people who want to be American either. So...they don't have my sympathy.
 
amlove21 said:
Remember April and all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about the market? Remember how some of us said “it’ll be fine buy the dip this is gonna shake out”?

I got you a snack after looking at the markets/futures this morning and my investment apps.
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^I think the jury's still out on this one , but I thought the meme was in line with your earlier post ;)
 
Marauder06 said:
^I think the jury's still out on this one , but I thought the meme was in line with your earlier post ;)
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Hahaha I just saw it and laughed and laughed.

This is just sort of an observation- but how impatient and petulant have we all become? The instant gratification culture has led to what we are seeing here. People are so narcissistic to not even wait to see if something works, they just make these wild conclusions 2 seconds after a story breaks and the consider they matter closed.

Epstein files, Diddy list, J6 investigation, immigration, Russia/UIkraine war, India/Pakistan war, economy... people decide what's their very high bar for what they expect the admin to do, and the second they don't see their own personal whims gratified with a public statement, they doom post their cynicism as if it's fact and bemoan the Orange Man with no willingness to just wait for even 30 days and see what the outputs are.

I get it, for sure, in the context of "you said you were going to do a thing so do the thing", but here are 100 things, all at once, with goalposts that are constantly moving. It's just a weird world we live in.
 
Devil's-ish Advocate:
If it's the one I'm thinking off, it has sat at a civilian boneyard in Marana, AZ since 2019 or something. Trump called for the original VC-25 replacement to be cancelled back in his first term (maybe he cancelled it, I don't know). Acquiring and modifying two a/c would have cost something stupid, like 4 billion or some retarded number. Boeing's replacements for the E-4 are two former 747-8's built for a Russian airline but never left the US. So, we're looking at 4 747-8's, probably all of which are foreign aircraft.

That said, keeping the plane is horseshit. Great, $400 million is "free", but the cost to convert will exceed that amount. There's no world in which he should keep the plane. As much as I hate Qatar, a state sponsor of terrorism, the gift is worth it if We The People keep the plane.

Where I have a problem with this lies in the arms deal we'll give to Qatar. No one rides for free and the Qataris are dirty motherfuckers. State sponsors of terrorism. I can't emphasize that enough.

I don't care what Biden would do or "how would you react if..." takes. This is today. The discussion should boil down to:
- Donating to the museum.
- Cost to the American taxpayer including refurbishment and the physical status of other 747-8's; what would it cost to acquire them?
- How cool are we with sponsoring terrorists, even if they would probably support a war against Iran? Maybe. The CAOC and Al Udeid argument is a whole different can of worms.

ETA: some spelling corrections.
 
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AWP said:
That said, keeping the plane is horseshit. Great, $400 million is "free", but the cost to convert will exceed that amount. There's no world in which he should keep the plane. As much as I hate Qatar, a state sponsor of terrorism, the gift is worth it if Wee The People keep the plane.

Where I have a problem with this lies in the arms deal we'll give to Qatar. No one rides for free and the Qataris are dirty motherfuckers. State sponsors of terrorism. I can't emphasize that enough.
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Pretty much exactly my take on it. A "gift to the DOD" is Qatar trying to get on our good side. Now, that's just global diplomacy, which means we do lots of shit with shady governments for short term deals. I don't like it, but i understand it.

And keeping the plane*? Absolutely just unacceptable. For the love of God, I'm agreeing with Laura Loomer (minus the take a bullet for the prez; lolwut?)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921615017138618439

*insert "big if true"
 
Mannnnnn, this plane gift is the dumbest from all angles. Watching this story develop over the last 3 days has been the fastest I think I have ever went from "Don't care, take it, whatever" to "Nope, this is horseshit".

Qatar is a terror hub with more money than Pakistan. Qatar had dumped billions, maybe trillions, into funding wack ideologies here in America through academia and NGOs. We shouldn't take foreign money (in this specific context) even if it save us money on the bottom line. Trump isn't taking the plane for personal use when he leaves office, I don't know how many more times we have to play the "BuT tRuMp SaId It" game.

Don't take the plane, it's bad optics, it's a distraction, and it's bad precedent. We are not a serious country.
 
In much more important news...

You can say whatever you want about the man, but let's assume this middle east trip gets what we think it's going to get (mended relationships and $1 TRILLION for America) - we just went through an admin that was quite literally asleep at the wheel, and Trump is holding a press conference a day, working 24/7, and producing outputs day after day after day.

If you wrote down a list of accomplishments just in the last 7 days of this admin and you took Trump's name off of it and put on Biden or Obama or Desantis' (if he had won) name, everyone in the world would be screaming for a Nobel peace prize and statues at all public facilities. It's so crazy to watch how polarizing Trump is; he nailed it at the joint session of Congress earlier this year.

"It doesn't matter how much good I do, you will never clap for me, because I am who I am."
 

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