Ukraine - Russia Conflict

I’m going out on a limb, but if the guy was a genuine war criminal, he’d be toast. As we know, Israel is relentless in finding perpetrators & if he had form it’s likely he wouldn’t be out n proud. Historically not all Waffen SS were villains, but they do get a bad rap.

There's been an extensive effort to whitewash this guys unit and all Ukrainian Nazis from the Canadian government and Ukrainian diaspora.

We haven't had a great record of helping with the hunt for Nazis.

Whitewashing The SS: The Attempt to Re-Write the History of Hitler’s Collaborators — espritdecorps

Why is a monument commemorating a Nazi SS division still standing outside Toronto?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nazi-war-criminals-in-canada-1.1026670
 
There's been an extensive effort to whitewash this guys unit and all Ukrainian Nazis from the Canadian government and Ukrainian diaspora.

We haven't had a great record of helping with the hunt for Nazis.

Whitewashing The SS: The Attempt to Re-Write the History of Hitler’s Collaborators — espritdecorps

Why is a monument commemorating a Nazi SS division still standing outside Toronto?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nazi-war-criminals-in-canada-1.1026670
Some interesting background in all three articles, thanks for the reply. I didn’t know the origins of the Galicia Division & knowing that provided some clarity, (particularly with Putins reference to Nazis). Local knowledge is more often accurate than not, so thanks again. With the war crimes trials this guy would have been prosecuted by now, or deported. The ovation in the Canadian parliament is a moment Larry David would be proud of. 🍻
 


This was from the strike a few days ago. I believe the Soviets confirmed Admiral Sokolov's death but if even half the other info is true, it was a huge strike.

I don't think it was confirmed by the Russians ( yet ? ).
It always has to be taken with a grain of salt. Ukrainians have killed but also falsely claimed they killed senior officers, many times in the past. Only 50% of the time, it turned out to be true. If its the case, I believe that would be the highest ranking Russian to have died so far and another huge blow to the BSF as he's ( was ? ) their cmdr apparently. List of Russian generals killed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine - Wikipedia
 
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Trudeau should do the same - for lots of reasons, not the least being the stupid ass statement he made above.

@RackMaster how much longer is that jackass going to be around?

Next scheduled election is 2025 because of the one he called in the pandemic just because. Unless the other left party, the NDP pull their support and then an election has to be called.
 
What the guy at 1:49 points out. Never was mutually exclusive. Is it all about NATO ? No, not even close. There were first and foremost economic interests. The EU and Russia were fighting chiefly for influence in Ukraine, not over some bases. Rather trade leverages like the gas transmission system. Russia beat them to it, succeeded in securing a puppet, while the West supported their removal. NATO is mostly used as pretext. But it was also about NATO and eventual early termination of the Kharkiv Pact.
In the end what we have is reality ( Russia invading Ukraine ), versus unsubstantiated fears ( Ukraine ever joining EU trade empire / NATO and Russia losing its Crimea bases ). Former ocured while latter were merely distant possibilities, if the pro-EU raproachment wasn't impaired and cancelled by pro-Russian Yanukovich, which ultimately lead to war. It cannot be downplayed how hard the West mishandled the situation too, not just in 2014. Both sides escalated it. But Russia actualy invaded and landgrabbed and no, remember their narrative was not "bUt nAtO".
It was "Ukrainian Nazis", followed by "Crimea / Eastern / Southern Ukraine were always Russian". Which was very straight forward and unequivocal in their and Putins rhetoric and actions ( publicaly declaring 15% of occupied Ukraine annexed and part of Russia ). Despite the 1997 agreement.
Did they clap two birds with one stone in this ? Yes. Ukraine's chances of ever joining NATO have dramaticaly decreased from maybe ever to nigh impossible now. Unless they succeed in their reconquista. Meanwhile the Russians are fulfilling their Greater Russia dreams.
On the other hand, their invasion caused a few other countries to join or finalize their membership process instead. Granted, in their cases it was really just a formality at this point, but still a negative development for them and also a mountain of irony. Instead of 1, they now have 2 more NATO countries at their border and eventualy a third and fourth one in the future.
So yeah. Personaly what I feel is, that given the above mentioned and what actualy happened ( genocidal invasion + literal annexations ) vs paranoia ( the thought of EU / NATO enlargement ), they can mildly put, cry me a river of Borscht for anyone not taking their bs narratives seriously.
 
What the guy at 1:49 points out. Never was mutually exclusive. Is it all about NATO ? No, not even close. There were first and foremost economic interests. The EU and Russia were fighting chiefly for influence in Ukraine, not over some bases. Rather trade leverages like the gas transmission system. Russia beat them to it, succeeded in securing a puppet, while the West supported their removal. NATO is mostly used as pretext. But it was also about NATO and eventual early termination of the Kharkiv Pact.
In the end what we have is reality ( Russia invading Ukraine ), versus unsubstantiated fears ( Ukraine ever joining EU trade empire / NATO and Russia losing its Crimea bases ). Former ocured while latter were merely distant possibilities, if the pro-EU raproachment wasn't impaired and cancelled by pro-Russian Yanukovich, which ultimately lead to war. It cannot be downplayed how hard the West mishandled the situation too, not just in 2014. Both sides escalated it. But Russia actualy invaded and landgrabbed and no, remember their narrative was not "bUt nAtO".
It was "Ukrainian Nazis", followed by "Crimea / Eastern / Southern Ukraine were always Russian". Which was very straight forward and unequivocal in their and Putins rhetoric and actions ( publicaly declaring 15% of occupied Ukraine annexed and part of Russia ). Despite the 1997 agreement.
Did they clap two birds with one stone in this ? Yes. Ukraine's chances of ever joining NATO have dramaticaly decreased from maybe ever to nigh impossible now. Unless they succeed in their reconquista. Meanwhile the Russians are fulfilling their Greater Russia dreams.
On the other hand, their invasion caused a few other countries to join or finalize their membership process instead. Granted, in their cases it was really just a formality at this point, but still a negative development for them and also a mountain of irony. Instead of 1, they now have 2 more NATO countries at their border and eventualy a third and fourth one in the future.
So yeah. Personaly what I feel is, that given the above mentioned and what actualy happened ( genocidal invasion + literal annexations ) vs paranoia ( the thought of EU / NATO enlargement ), they can mildly put, cry me a river of Borscht for anyone not taking their bs narratives seriously.
Ukraine should not get NATO membership until the level of corruption decreases (it is never eliminated), but I fear emotions will over rule reason and NATO will grant membership, or some lesser form of protection to the Ukraine.
 
Ukraine should not get NATO membership until the level of corruption decreases (it is never eliminated), but I fear emotions will over rule reason and NATO will grant membership, or some lesser form of protection to the Ukraine.

Yeah, that's a whole nother topic. It has been a serious persistent issue since the breakup and I agree with you. But they can forget about NATO anyway as long as they have to deal with occupation and secession. Which sadly, I fear Russia made sure will remain a problem for a while there too.
 
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"My armchair opinion on the Ukraine war is that, for both sides, winning is the only true option left for them. If Russia fails to defeat Ukraine, then they will have an extremely anti-Russian, pro-Western Ukraine on their borders that either joins NATO or gets some other type of other defense pact, or, craziest of all, develops nukes to prevent another invasion. For Ukraine, if they lose this, they can pretty much kiss their sovereignty goodbye; they will be a diet Russia subject to the whims of Putin the 1st."
 
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