Women in Combat Arms/ SOF Discussion

[Etype]

That article points out the difference in PT scores, which have always been different. To be fair, there should be only one PT in combat arms--the male standard. Lowering it to the female level is silly.

However, @TLDR20 is right. I've seen nothing to indicate that the individual go/no-go events in Infantry OSUT will be scored differently. Packing lists and ruck times are the same regardless of who you are.

There's also the issue of unit standards. When I was in the 7th ID(L), we completed 25 mile rucks regularly and we did it as a unit. If you fell out, torture and damnation befell you. Once you get out of the schoolhouse where the standard is individual and move into an Infantry company where the standard is what the unit is expected to be able to do, things change a bit.

When was a conventional unit doing 25 mile rucks?

I don't see that being doable for even 20% of the conventional folks I've worked with. Out of the people I work with who have completed rucks that length or longer as part of selection, most of us would not be able to do it regularly without specifically training for it.

 

[Marauder06]

When was a conventional unit doing 25 mile rucks?

I don't see that being doable for even 20% of the conventional folks I've worked with. Out of the people I work with who have completed rucks that length or longer as part of selection, most of us would not be able to do it regularly without specifically training for it.

25-mile approach march in uniform and assault pack was a standard thing in the 101st when I was an infantry PL there. I think it was once a quarter or a semi-annual thing for the line units. This was back in the mid-90's and I don't know if it's still done today.

 

[racing_kitty]

When was a conventional unit doing 25 mile rucks?

Think late 80's time frame, a couple of years before Gulf War 1.0 kicked off. Quite a few of you were still in preschool at that point, if you were even born at all. It was still a hollow Army; when you don't have the funds for much ammo, you do other things, like walk really fast with a lot of shit on your back for retarded distances, especially if you're in a light infantry division.

 

[policemedic]

When was a conventional unit doing 25 mile rucks?

I don't see that being doable for even 20% of the conventional folks I've worked with. Out of the people I work with who have completed rucks that length or longer as part of selection, most of us would not be able to do it regularly without specifically training for it.

1988/1989 for sure. We did one every six months as I recall for the unit to be certified. That's 7ID(L), which along with the 82nd was the rapid deployment force.

 

[DA SWO]

When was a conventional unit doing 25 mile rucks?

I don't see that being doable for even 20% of the conventional folks I've worked with. Out of the people I work with who have completed rucks that length or longer as part of selection, most of us would not be able to do it regularly without specifically training for it.

82nd did it quarterly in the early/mid 90's.
That and ruck back from the DZ were the norm.
Factoid: The ruck back from the DZ started in the early 80's as a way to save money (they didn't budget enough for gas home) and then they figured it was a good training event, and it became the standard.
Poor guys.

 

[policemedic]

Think late 80's time frame, a couple of years before Gulf War 1.0 kicked off. Quite a few of you were still in preschool at that point, if you were even born at all. It was still a hollow Army; when you don't have the funds for much ammo, you do other things, like walk really fast with a lot of shit on your back for retarded distances, especially if you're in a light infantry division.

I think you just called me old

 

[policemedic]

82nd did it quarterly in the early/mid 90's.
That and ruck back from the DZ were the norm.
Factoid: The ruck back from the DZ started in the early 80's as a way to save money (they didn't budget enough for gas home) and then they figured it was a good training event, and it became the standard.
Poor guys.

With us it wasn't a budget issue. It was just assumed that if the training was occurring on post, we would hump there and back.

The only time we got transported was if we were going to The Hungry Lizard or Travis.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

The Corps has fallen -

Marine Corps' new titles remove 'man' from infantryman, other jobs

 

[Marine0311]

The Corps has fallen -

Marine Corps' new titles remove 'man' from infantryman, other jobs

Bro that's from DuffelBlog

 

[Ooh-Rah]

:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:

I knew that. I just wante....sigh...

:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:

 

[Marine0311]

:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:

I knew that. I just wante....sigh...

:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:

Oh. Sorry. My bad. :wall:

 

[Ooh-Rah]

All good @Marine0311 , I know you were "just lookin' out". But the first thing that came to mind when I saw your reply was this masterpiece by @Freefalling when my April Fools post went south after just one reply...

You people kill me. Your mom couldn't suck a dick the way ya'll can suck the life out of a thread.

To add...my favorite line in the Duffleblog story:
“Besides, in all seriousness,” said Kulczewski. “We all know that ‘every Marine a rifleman’ is the biggest lie in the Corps.”

 

[Mad boomer]

Think late 80's time frame, a couple of years before Gulf War 1.0 kicked off. Quite a few of you were still in preschool at that point, if you were even born at all. It was still a hollow Army; when you don't have the funds for much ammo, you do other things, like walk really fast with a lot of shit on your back for retarded distances, especially if you're in a light infantry division.

The words right out of my mouth; awesome! More weight, more land nav, more PT and more police call. ;) We are headed back there now as a military... Back to the future!

 

[TLDR20]

Bro that's from DuffelBlog

 

[Devildoc]

Marine Times:

Marines weigh stripping the word 'man' from all job titles

Navy Times:

http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2016/01/07/navy-looks-remove-man-all-job-titles/78415190/

 

[racing_kitty]

I think you just called me old

Age only matters if you're cheese. Good wine and scotch also benefit greatly, so You're in good company.

 

[Marine0311]

Marine Times:

Marines weigh stripping the word 'man' from all job titles

Navy Times:

Navy looks to remove 'man' from all job titles

I strongly disagree with this. Blah.

 

[digrar]

If your Battalion COs were anything like ours, in the years after the Falklands, the long tactical advance to battle became a key indicator for being battle fit.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Why? 1st female Army infantry officer assigned to Ranger training battalion

 

[racing_kitty]

Why? 1st female Army infantry officer assigned to Ranger training battalion

Because politics. The optics involved in putting the first tabbed split tail in any other position than a Ranger slot of some kind would be abysmal. Perception is 9/10 of reality, and the way things are going, no lysergic acid diethylamide is needed to achieve the level of surreal we're at.

Be grateful it's only a staff slot.