Women in Combat Arms/ SOF Discussion

[LimaPanther]

I stand corrected on the first 2 women as both are West Point Grads. At present they are Company Commanders of an active duty Infantry company. At the time I remember the controversy that they were NG.

There were 2 enlisted female NG women that made it through but for some reason I can't post the web site on here.

First female Army Reserve graduate of Army Ranger School. She went through with the 2 active.

Should be noted that the first 3 women are West Point grads.

 

[Cookie_]

Curious. Why is it that only NG women seem to make it through Q and Ranger?

The first two women to make it through Ranger School were both West Point Grads on active duty status. No idea about the ones getting through SFAS and the Q though.

ETA: Seems like you caught it before I pointed it out.

Is that true? I did not know what.

assuming it is, better access to extreme sports training and CrossFit type gyms?

I am just spitballing here.

Not sure how it would work if they happened to come in under an OP 63 contract, but if they were prior/current service they may run through a SFRE(mini 3 day selection), be with the SWTD(training detachment) for a year or until they hit all benchmarks, and then go to SFAS. Basically, you get a prep course before even going to selection, in the idea that it will increase you chances of succeeding in the process.*

*This is the way it works at my unit; not sure if it's exactly the same everywhere across 19th/20th, but I imagine it's probably similar.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Why add that?

Exclusive: Woman makes history by becoming the first to graduate Special Forces training | SOFREP

To generate clicks...or as my lady lawyer partner would say: "he's a chotch."

 

[Marauder06]

Curious. Why is it that only NG women seem to make it through Q and Ranger?

Numerous active duty women made it through Ranger School. IIRC the first two were both AD, West Point grads. There have been several others since.

 

[LimaPanther]

See my correction above.

 

[LimaPanther]

Just saw this. Think she will be on an A Team as an Engineer? I read in another site she completed the Engineer MOS.

Soldier Makes History as First Woman to Join the Green Berets

 

[compforce]

Just saw this. Think she will be on an A Team as an Engineer? I read in another site she completed the Engineer MOS.

Soldier Makes History as First Woman to Join the Green Berets

She'll go to an ODA with whatever MOS she earned. They don't send Soldiers through the Q course to land behind a desk.

 

[compforce]

Female Soldier Graduates Special Forces Training | SOF News

The author is a retired CW5 (180A) from 20th SFG, the Group that she is in.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Female Soldier Graduates Special Forces Training | SOF News

The author is a retired CW5 (180A) from 20th SFG, the Group that she is in.

Admittedly not knowing fact from fiction, I thought this was a great article that did a good job of laying out multiple perspectives of the story.

 

[Steve1839]

Just saw this. Think she will be on an A Team as an Engineer? I read in another site she completed the Engineer MOS.

Hopefully, she learned those four words we were taught as SF Engineers..."Hey, sir, watch this..."

 

[Devildoc]

Speaking of female engineers (Seabees, although not SOF, has a storied history):

All-female Seabee team makes history

This was 2012 I believe.

Edited to add, not taking away from this soldier's accomplishments, but rather to add, if she can do it, they all the more power to her...

 

[LimaPanther]

Did anyone pay attention to the Bullet item "Changes in SF Training"

Female Soldier Graduates Special Forces Training | SOF News

The author is a retired CW5 (180A) from 20th SFG, the Group that she is in.

 

[Blizzard]

Did anyone pay attention to the Bullet item "Changes in SF Training"

Yes, I thought @DZ addressed that topic pretty well in an earlier post in this thread:
Women in Combat Arms/ SOF Discussion

 

[Steve1839]

I can't say I was excited to see a brief mention of the Katie Wilder episode, but at least that brought the officers' course into line with what the EM and NCOs had to deal with...

 

[Ooh-Rah]

can't say I was excited to see a brief mention of the Katie Wilder episode

Are you willing to discuss why? Are you thinking that Wilder and this woman from 2020 are not analogous?

 

[Steve1839]

Are you willing to discuss why? Are you thinking that Wilder and this woman from 2020 are not analogous?

Katie Wilder was accused of cheating, not carrying her weight, etc. She was accused of caching her rucksack to make time on the land nav course, and of failing the land nav course.... I was told this by peers who attended the same O course she did...and from my vantage point in the Q course, officers had it pretty easy...we had a 17-night land nav exercise, they had 7....and I could go on....but I won't ....
I suspect the woman who just graduated was under more scrutiny than Ms. Wilder...and she may have had more help...but my suspicion is she earned her spurs...at least, I hope so...

 

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[Deleted member 11415]

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That little guy in the 3rd block looks like Sloth from the goonies.

 

[Locksteady]

That little guy in the 3rd block looks like Sloth from the goonies.

If he and Stewie Griffin had a lovechild with missing sclera.

 

[Deleted member 11415]

If he and Stewie Griffin had a lovechild with missing sclera.

True.