Topkick
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I have been watching him in interviews. He makes a lot of sense in a lot of ways and seems very down to earth and thoughtful. I haven't looked to deep into his policies yet.
Your 2024 Presidential Election Thread
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We all know how this one plays out, a couple weeks of coverage and another crazy "Trumper" while who knows what else is going on.
All this article says is that he's an AF vet, judging from the look of his ghillie suit and stalking posts on FB he probably wasn't an SF defensive marksman or anything. Dude was also 75... Also curious if the regional FBI tac team ran this or did they put HRT on him??
Another winner of the Fucc'd around....Foun't out award...
Trump supporter Craig Robertson shot dead in FBI raid linked to threats against Biden, top Dems
All this article says is that he's an AF vet, judging from the look of his ghillie suit and stalking posts on FB he probably wasn't an SF defensive marksman or anything. Dude was also 75... Also curious if the regional FBI tac team ran this or did they put HRT on him??
Another winner of the Fucc'd around....Foun't out award...
Trump supporter Craig Robertson shot dead in FBI raid linked to threats against Biden, top Dems
I read about it on Fox a few minutes ago. It was interesting to me that they chose to take him at home, where they know he has guns and where he threatened federal agents in the past. For my LE friends, is that standard practice? Barring some type of exigency, wouldn’t it be better to grab him when he’s… we’ll he’s 75 so when he’s on his way to the American Legion or a hip replacement surgery or whatever old people do?
Seems like he was dangerously deranged. He definitely needed a visit from federal law enforcement. Too bad it didn’t end differently, with him alive and in psychiatric treatment, the threat to the President (and numerous others, apparently) ended, and an on-the-job shooting not on the conscience of an agent.
Stares at this with Randy Weaver thoughts. Like we're supposed to trust a fucking thing the red coats do, ahemm! Weavers, Waco, Finicum Lavoy, I can go on.
Or, he was murdered by the government?
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My understanding from the article was they were there to serve both an arrest and a home search warrant, which might help explain the primary reason they went to his home. This is (in spite of his threatening history toward federal agents) aside from the secondary consideration of giving his 75-year-old self the benefit of the doubt and saving face for him by knocking on his door instead of ultimately cuffing him around a lot of other armed vets, physical therapy patients, or insert any unpredictable number of unknown people whose reactions you may be less able to control here.
The officers are taking on a risk regardless without adding the unknown of other people's actions, the potential for innocent casualties, phone video, a shootout in a public place, third party lawsuits, and the list goes on.
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This is why no one trusts or likes the FBI. It seems like they're more focused on terrorizing the populace than going after actual crime. Even though the President's son is a traitorous crack smoking pedo, the feds seem more content on intimidating soccer moms and killing old men.
What a bunch of oxygen thieves.
What a bunch of oxygen thieves.
Devildoc
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I dunno, man. What that old man put out there went beyond the pale and likely exceeded the 1st amendment 'muh rights' threshold. I'd consider his invective 'actual crime,' even if the intent was just to go out and talk to the dude to assess risk (which is what USSS does, too).
I am waiting for more to come out before I knee-jerk on an anti-FBI rant.
1st time I got to actually listen to that, thanks for posting.
Usually I'm going to wait one of these out and see the evidence, his intent and capability before making a judgement, but you have an excellent point. They had his cell, computers, probably some surveillance and 24 hour location.
Unless it turns out this dude had a rocket launcher or some C4 in that house I'd prefer the FBI be arresting the Utah branch of a human trafficking ring or drug cartel, which would not be making national news, than this ol' bat.
Topkick
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I agree. But I'd also ask if it were a leftist who made threatening comments toward Trump, would it be a different story?
Devildoc
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It's an unanswerable question, right?
Here's what I keep coming back to: USSS is the clearing house for all threats to POTUS/VPOTUS, et al., and will farm out investigations to other agencies/departments. All POTUSs get threats, so all get some level of investigation. But almost none result in someone being killed. What made this one different?
The criminal events at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, the divisiveness of the country caused by partisan politics that the brainwashing government gave to media, the fact that government, now, more than ever are really trying to eradicate anti gov/anyone that speaks against the gov.
That said, yeah, the dude might have been nuts, shit was wrong buy until we see proof, proper, proof from a government that we don't trust that it was a must this guy needed to be killed, in my book and with history backing this, he was murdered by federal government.
Devildoc
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Totally agree about distrust with the government and looking at all of these things with skepticism. No argument.
I am wanting more information before I make a judgment call on this. Something's not adding up, and it's not just that the FBI gave this old man a dirt nap.
If there is an ongoing effort to silence people who are critical of the president, I would think this guy would be example number 174. But he's not. Again, something's not adding up with this one and all I want to know are the details they're not releasing.
Topkick
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Its notable how the media includes "Trump Supporter" in each article title. Its clearly being used to push a narrative. Is the FBI involved in that? I wouldn't go that far but the MSM is obviously taking advantage of it.
I agree but I'm not sure getting truth is possible anymore.
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I'd like to quantify the following rant with one small caveat - NOBODY WINS HERE
- an elderly man that clearly had some mental health issues is dead and his family must now deal with the messy aftermath
- an agency that is already reeling from a increasingly growing level of public distrust just said "hold my beer"
- a blood thirsty media machine that LOVES to stir the pot is standing around this story like a band of witches over a boiling cauldron
Eye of newt and toe of frog
Wool of bat and tongue of dog
Adder’s fork and blind-worm’s sting
Lizard’s leg and owlet’s wing
get a spoon and take sip...
RUN THIS STORY MOTHER FUCKERS - LET 'ER RIP
- more importantly, IT IS just one more chance for an overtly corrupt group of political hacks to exploit human tragedy for campaign capitol
YEEEEE-HA MOTHER FUCKERS - FREE DIRT FOR THE CAMPAIGN TRIAL
So,
I will now foist my biased, rambling, pointless, hypocritical, partisan thoughts on those of you dumb enough to read my diatribe:
I have been interacting with various civilian law enforcement agencies since the mid 1990's and I've seen a commonality and a very recognizable attitude from almost every group I've interacted with. many of them behave the same because for the most part, the feds all go to FLETC in Glenco for their initial brainwashi....
...sorry - some of that bias bubbling up
The feds all go to FLETC in Glenco for their initial training - and they all come away with baseline standards of training and behavior. By the time they do their initial training and complete any additional agency specific training, they have all learned (or should have figured it out on their own) what should be one undeniable, inarguable truth whether it is explicitly taught or just a byproduct of common sense analysis...
-Your chances of shooting a mother fucker during high risk warrant service could very well go WAY up at those times right before and right after mother fuckers go to sleep and/or wake up. (I have no formal DOJ data to support that - just critical thinking skills and a basic knowledge of human behavior)
They ain't expecting company.
They're either tired or groggy.
They're armed - or in a position to quickly become armed.
Force your way into a house when someone is out of bed and close to a firearm, there is nearly a 100% chance that they will meet you somewhere between the front door and their initial location with a firearm that WILL be pointed at you.
Not because they hate the police.
Not because they have a partisan beef with their least favorite federal agency.
It's because they are tired and groggy and armed - and they probably think you are the boogeyman.
...and its only 6 am
And so moments after forcing your way into someones home at 6am you might expect the following exchange:
GUN...
bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang...
...reload
bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang...
FREEEEEEEZE - POLICE
Because a high risk warrant entry team when confronted by an armed suspect with a gun KNOWS they are going to be cleared of any "real" charges because
...bad guy with a gun
...documented threats of violence
...pointed the gun at us
...we had a warrant
Did the 75 year old man deserve to get gunned down in what we ALL know will never be a truthfully disclosed sequence of events surrounding said shooting?
...because ongoing investigation and all that jazz
This cat was in Utah. That is a LONG way from DC - as a result, he poses no relevant threat to anyone in DC. Put him on a no fly list, and send the men in black to question him on his behavior.
If the POTUS was in or arriving in Utah - then IMMEDIATELY send the men in black to check this guy out.
Freedom of Speech is a fun thing to talk about - BUT - there is no such thing as freedom of speech.
The Bill of Government Approved Privileges is little more than an illusion.
You all know the classics:
"Yell fire in a crowded theater"
"Say bomb on an airplane"
"Declare a violent threat to certain folks"
"Fuck Around, Find Out" is funny that way. The Bill of Government Approved Privileges will be suspended over you dead body when you cross certain lines.
and we all know that
The founding fathers literally over threw their government. Then they quickly went about the business of creating some very specific laws to deal with the any group of mother fuckers that tried to over throw "THEIR" government...
Our constitution is written in the ink of 'fuck around find out' by a bunch of folks that understood the essence of fuck around find out. The founding fathers wanted to find out.
They got the itch. They got together, they made some plans, they looked at each other and said, "Ok boys, lets go find out"
Then those crazy mother fuckers commenced the initial "fuck around" stage of American history.
This crazy assed social media posting old man knew that he would eventually get a visit by some big hairy men with guns because THAT is what happens when you take selfies with your scary black firearms, ballistic helmet, and spooky looking tactical eye-wear and make very specific threats towards high ranking government officials.
- did he deserve what he got?
Verily I say to you - I think not.
But he fucked around, found out.
Were the feds REALLY concerned about this crazy old coots welfare?
Verily I say to you - I think not.
Are we really supposed to be surprised that a government agency went full retard over something that a Catholic School Nun could have handled with a wooden yardstick?
Verily I say to you - I think not.
That is all.
We now return you to our regularly scheduled thread posting.
- an elderly man that clearly had some mental health issues is dead and his family must now deal with the messy aftermath
- an agency that is already reeling from a increasingly growing level of public distrust just said "hold my beer"
- a blood thirsty media machine that LOVES to stir the pot is standing around this story like a band of witches over a boiling cauldron
Eye of newt and toe of frog
Wool of bat and tongue of dog
Adder’s fork and blind-worm’s sting
Lizard’s leg and owlet’s wing
get a spoon and take sip...
RUN THIS STORY MOTHER FUCKERS - LET 'ER RIP
- more importantly, IT IS just one more chance for an overtly corrupt group of political hacks to exploit human tragedy for campaign capitol
YEEEEE-HA MOTHER FUCKERS - FREE DIRT FOR THE CAMPAIGN TRIAL
So,
I will now foist my biased, rambling, pointless, hypocritical, partisan thoughts on those of you dumb enough to read my diatribe:
I have been interacting with various civilian law enforcement agencies since the mid 1990's and I've seen a commonality and a very recognizable attitude from almost every group I've interacted with. many of them behave the same because for the most part, the feds all go to FLETC in Glenco for their initial brainwashi....
...sorry - some of that bias bubbling up
The feds all go to FLETC in Glenco for their initial training - and they all come away with baseline standards of training and behavior. By the time they do their initial training and complete any additional agency specific training, they have all learned (or should have figured it out on their own) what should be one undeniable, inarguable truth whether it is explicitly taught or just a byproduct of common sense analysis...
-Your chances of shooting a mother fucker during high risk warrant service could very well go WAY up at those times right before and right after mother fuckers go to sleep and/or wake up. (I have no formal DOJ data to support that - just critical thinking skills and a basic knowledge of human behavior)
They ain't expecting company.
They're either tired or groggy.
They're armed - or in a position to quickly become armed.
Force your way into a house when someone is out of bed and close to a firearm, there is nearly a 100% chance that they will meet you somewhere between the front door and their initial location with a firearm that WILL be pointed at you.
Not because they hate the police.
Not because they have a partisan beef with their least favorite federal agency.
It's because they are tired and groggy and armed - and they probably think you are the boogeyman.
...and its only 6 am
And so moments after forcing your way into someones home at 6am you might expect the following exchange:
GUN...
bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang...
...reload
bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang...
FREEEEEEEZE - POLICE
Because a high risk warrant entry team when confronted by an armed suspect with a gun KNOWS they are going to be cleared of any "real" charges because
...bad guy with a gun
...documented threats of violence
...pointed the gun at us
...we had a warrant
Did the 75 year old man deserve to get gunned down in what we ALL know will never be a truthfully disclosed sequence of events surrounding said shooting?
...because ongoing investigation and all that jazz
This cat was in Utah. That is a LONG way from DC - as a result, he poses no relevant threat to anyone in DC. Put him on a no fly list, and send the men in black to question him on his behavior.
If the POTUS was in or arriving in Utah - then IMMEDIATELY send the men in black to check this guy out.
Freedom of Speech is a fun thing to talk about - BUT - there is no such thing as freedom of speech.
The Bill of Government Approved Privileges is little more than an illusion.
You all know the classics:
"Yell fire in a crowded theater"
"Say bomb on an airplane"
"Declare a violent threat to certain folks"
"Fuck Around, Find Out" is funny that way. The Bill of Government Approved Privileges will be suspended over you dead body when you cross certain lines.
and we all know that
The founding fathers literally over threw their government. Then they quickly went about the business of creating some very specific laws to deal with the any group of mother fuckers that tried to over throw "THEIR" government...
Our constitution is written in the ink of 'fuck around find out' by a bunch of folks that understood the essence of fuck around find out. The founding fathers wanted to find out.
They got the itch. They got together, they made some plans, they looked at each other and said, "Ok boys, lets go find out"
Then those crazy mother fuckers commenced the initial "fuck around" stage of American history.
This crazy assed social media posting old man knew that he would eventually get a visit by some big hairy men with guns because THAT is what happens when you take selfies with your scary black firearms, ballistic helmet, and spooky looking tactical eye-wear and make very specific threats towards high ranking government officials.
- did he deserve what he got?
Verily I say to you - I think not.
But he fucked around, found out.
Were the feds REALLY concerned about this crazy old coots welfare?
Verily I say to you - I think not.
Are we really supposed to be surprised that a government agency went full retard over something that a Catholic School Nun could have handled with a wooden yardstick?
Verily I say to you - I think not.
That is all.
We now return you to our regularly scheduled thread posting.
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