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I just cannot wrap my arms around the concept that requiring proof of citizenship is disenfranchising voters:
"This action has illegally kept voters from the polls, caused confusion, and threatened the lawful voter registration efforts of the League and other groups," the League said in a statement. Its president, Chris Carson, said the requirement had amounted to "thinly veiled discrimination." Carson praised the ruling blocking it and said that "we should be making voting easier, not harder. All eligible Americans deserve the opportunity to register and vote without obstacles."
Court Blocks Proof-Of-Citizenship Requirement For Voters In 3 States
Forgive me for being jaded, but the idea of someone only needing to sign a statement saying "YES I AM A CITIZEN" and that's it? Sorry, I guess I'm just not that trusting that anyone is actually looking into these sworn statements and holding anyone accountable, regardless of the law.
Why Shouldn’t A State Ask Individuals to Prove Their Citizenship When They Attempt to Register to Vote?
States already ask for evidence of citizenship. Since states began requiring voters to register prior to voting, every state has required individuals wishing to register to sign a statement under penalty of perjury affirming that they are citizens and that they meet all of the state’s other voter eligibility requirements. The federal form also requires such a statement and additionally states that non-citizens who register may be criminally prosecuted and deported.
How Do Proof-of-Citizenship Laws Block Legitimate Voters? | Demos
So where is the balance? Genuine Citizen wants to vote, but has no physical proof of his/her citizen so they gets to sign a form, declaring them-self a citizen, and now they gets to vote! Perfect, I love it!!!
But...
Use my friendly state of MN as an example. We currently have the largest population of Somali's in the United States, many if not most are refugees; not citizens. But...they kinda like it here, it would benefit their status in the U.S. if a more liberal government, friendly to their plights remained in power....so they go sign a form declaring themselves a citizen, and now they get to vote. That I do not approve of.
Good Question: Why Did Somalis Locate Here?
Maybe if my Republican brethren get their shit together and come to the conclusion that having some social programs does not a Socialist make, they will win the votes of those on the bubble who need a little help, but also want to see business thrive and ensure that their gun rights are not altered. At the end of the day I want every U.S. citizen to have the ability to vote, but not at the expense of allowing the flood of illegal immigrants to this country to game the system in the hopes of keeping those people in power who best represent their best chance of staying here.
As a lifelong registered Republican, I am really trying to see the more liberal points of views that have been presented on this forum from time to time, but it becomes very easy to feel cornered and want to dig in my heels when it seems as if I am the anti-poor, anti-black, anti-name it, until I concede that the liberal definition of fair is the only definition that matters.
"This action has illegally kept voters from the polls, caused confusion, and threatened the lawful voter registration efforts of the League and other groups," the League said in a statement. Its president, Chris Carson, said the requirement had amounted to "thinly veiled discrimination." Carson praised the ruling blocking it and said that "we should be making voting easier, not harder. All eligible Americans deserve the opportunity to register and vote without obstacles."
Court Blocks Proof-Of-Citizenship Requirement For Voters In 3 States
Forgive me for being jaded, but the idea of someone only needing to sign a statement saying "YES I AM A CITIZEN" and that's it? Sorry, I guess I'm just not that trusting that anyone is actually looking into these sworn statements and holding anyone accountable, regardless of the law.
Why Shouldn’t A State Ask Individuals to Prove Their Citizenship When They Attempt to Register to Vote?
States already ask for evidence of citizenship. Since states began requiring voters to register prior to voting, every state has required individuals wishing to register to sign a statement under penalty of perjury affirming that they are citizens and that they meet all of the state’s other voter eligibility requirements. The federal form also requires such a statement and additionally states that non-citizens who register may be criminally prosecuted and deported.
How Do Proof-of-Citizenship Laws Block Legitimate Voters? | Demos
So where is the balance? Genuine Citizen wants to vote, but has no physical proof of his/her citizen so they gets to sign a form, declaring them-self a citizen, and now they gets to vote! Perfect, I love it!!!
But...
Use my friendly state of MN as an example. We currently have the largest population of Somali's in the United States, many if not most are refugees; not citizens. But...they kinda like it here, it would benefit their status in the U.S. if a more liberal government, friendly to their plights remained in power....so they go sign a form declaring themselves a citizen, and now they get to vote. That I do not approve of.
Good Question: Why Did Somalis Locate Here?
Maybe if my Republican brethren get their shit together and come to the conclusion that having some social programs does not a Socialist make, they will win the votes of those on the bubble who need a little help, but also want to see business thrive and ensure that their gun rights are not altered. At the end of the day I want every U.S. citizen to have the ability to vote, but not at the expense of allowing the flood of illegal immigrants to this country to game the system in the hopes of keeping those people in power who best represent their best chance of staying here.
As a lifelong registered Republican, I am really trying to see the more liberal points of views that have been presented on this forum from time to time, but it becomes very easy to feel cornered and want to dig in my heels when it seems as if I am the anti-poor, anti-black, anti-name it, until I concede that the liberal definition of fair is the only definition that matters.
