2016 Presidential Race

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ke4gde said:
Disagree because I don't believe it is Trump that is the problem with the Republicans. Unless I am misreading your statement, which is possible.

I stated Cruz as the epitome because of his previous actions, religious zealotry, and his strong rhetoric. He in effect, has alienated those of us that are somewhere in the middle but lean conservative. Not all conservatives believe in god, think homos are an abomination, believe everyone that is poor is lazy, etc.... I know I am painting with a broad brush, but the party has turned from its core values and roots IMHO.
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The whole far-right religious demagoguery started during the Reagan era, the whole Moral Majority thing. Before Reagan the "social" platform just wasn't that big a deal for the GOP. Reagan talked the talk--I loved Reagan--but the GOP took a strong turn during his eight years. And since then, the GOP likes to talk up cutting taxes and limited government and limited spending, but they aren't really that far off from the Democrats in this area.

So you are right, but as far as the widening gap in differences between the "old" GOP and what Trump, Cruz, et al, have now, that door has been slowly closing for many, many years.

Devildoc said:
The whole far-right religious demagoguery started during the Reagan era, the whole Moral Majority thing. Before Reagan the "social" platform just wasn't that big a deal for the GOP. Reagan talked the talk--I loved Reagan--but the GOP took a strong turn during his eight years. And since then, the GOP likes to talk up cutting taxes and limited government and limited spending, but they aren't really that far off from the Democrats in this area.

Cruz and the "real" conservatives are just a different spin of what the Tea party movement tried to become, and unfortunately the foundational conservative values are being marginalized.

So you are right, but as far as the widening gap in differences between the "old" GOP and what Trump, Cruz, et al, have now, that door has been slowly closing for many, many years.
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Fact checkers have been at work here too & the results where underwhelming. The speech here has been described as dark and threatening which is silly, it wasn't that bad & the analysts IMO may think that the majority of readers didn't watch it live like I did. It was big on foreign policy, not dark and scary, it ticked boxes. One mention of health care...be able to choose your own doctor, awesome. :rolleyes: There is also an outside theory that should Trump in fact win, he will quit being POTUS as it is difficult and not a "snap your fingers" type of position to get things done. As such he won't go the distance as he'll become frustrated. He has confounded every political wonk and analyst so far and may well do again.
In a ten horse race all entrants are 9/1, this is a two horse race so it's even money for both.
 
He was governor for half the time I attended the Funny Farm...thought he was more of a conservative Democrat...but he can go jump off a bridge now.
 
R.Caerbannog said:
Really LT? :-/
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Hey man, everyone sells their soul to someone when they're in Politics. He just chose to sell his to the Devil. Ask Robert Johnson about how that went. Now, in all seriousness Governor Kaine just went into my not ever book. So being figurative...the bridge he jumps off is over water and he'll be able to swim to shore.
 
ThunderHorse said:
Hey man, everyone sells their soul to someone when they're in Politics. He just chose to sell his to the Devil. Ask Robert Johnson about how that went. Now, in all seriousness Governor Kaine just went into my not ever book. So being figurative...the bridge he jumps off is over water and he'll be able to swim to shore.
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Sorry, I messed up. Wasn't talking about the Governor. Heck, I think that politicians are scum suckers. Was just trying to communicate that sometimes, you set yourself up for jokes. Wasn't sure if you caught it. :-"

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So Hillary a middle of the road Democrat chooses an even more moderate running mate, and people are upset? Surprising to me.
 
ke4gde said:
Disagree because I don't believe it is Trump that is the problem with the Republicans. Unless I am misreading your statement, which is possible.

I stated Cruz as the epitome because of his previous actions, religious zealotry, and his strong rhetoric. He in effect, has alienated those of us that are somewhere in the middle but lean conservative. Not all conservatives believe in god, think homos are an abomination, believe everyone that is poor is lazy, etc.... I know I am painting with a broad brush, but the party has turned from its core values and roots IMHO.
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@Kraut783 and @Freefalling summed it up better than I could.

I just think it's insane that the GOP has let this situation develop to the point where Donald Trump has become their presidential candidate. It's not like they didn't know an election was coming.
 
So a friend of mine spent some time this weekend and came up with his greatest hits so far of the new data dump on the DNC and Clinton from Wikileaks:

Some of the best leaks so far.

DNC member killing horses for insurance money.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/578

DNC making fun of black womans name.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/17942

DNC telling each other, "I love you too. no homo."
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/425

DNC requesting a pull an MSNBC commentary segment.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/6107

DNC controlling the narrative with time released stories.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12450

DNC conspiring to create false Trump information and release with Reuters.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7102

DNC Hillary supporters infiltrated Sanders campaign.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/4776

DNC members going to complain to Morning Joe producers about his mentioning of a "rigged system."
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8806

DNC discussing their relationship with NBC/MSNBC/CNN and how to get better treatment.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13762

Super PAC paying young voters to push back online Sanders supporters. Paid shills.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8351

DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz having an off the record meeting in MSNBC President Phil Griffin's office.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8867

DNC being messed with by the Washington Examiner.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/5304

DNC discussing Hillary's policies as unfeasible.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/519

$200k for a private dinner with Hillary.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/17287

Offering to send interns out to fake a protest against the RNC.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13366

Faking outrage and pasting in a video later.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7102

A mole working inside of the Sanders campaign.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7793

Bringing up Sanders religion to scare the southern voters.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/11508

Possible money laundering by moving money back and forth to bypass legal limits.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/6230

Politico writer sending his stories to the DNC before he sends them to his editor.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/10808

DNC feeding CNN the questions they want to be asked in interviews.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/4077

Creating a fake job ad for a Trump business to paint him as a sexist.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12803

Hillary funding 2 million dollars in a cooridanted campaign in battleground states to win back the Senate.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7784

DNC is upset that their "allies" didn't send in protestors so they sent out interns.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13366

"Clinton Foundation quid-pro-quo worries are lingering, will be exploited in general."
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8351

$50,000 - Lawrence Benenson.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/14700

Daily Fundraising Report for the DNC.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/2875

Content & Social Strategy Discussion.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7512

Re: BuzzFeed and DNC connection.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/10933

Draft linking news articles about trump to use as negative press.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7586

Fwd: State Dinner Countdown.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/1901

Some chick is angry she hasn't been given more stuff from the Obama administration...might be interesting to follow up.

Re: State Dinner Countdown.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/2946

Tim O'Brien: Trump's Fixation on Inflating his Net Worth is a Cause for Concern.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/4496

RE: May Fundraising Numbers.
WikiLeaks - Search the DNC email database
WikiLeaks - Search the DNC email database

Hillary for America Raised $26.4 Million in April, Began May with More than $30 Million Cash on Hand.
WikiLeaks - Search the DNC email database

Re: For approval: Trump supporter graphics. https://www.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/788

Press talking points, states Hillary is their candidate, dated May 5, 2016. More of a smoking gun than the ambiguous talk in the emails themselves.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/fileid/5254/2728

Consultant calling megyn kelly a bimbo. Has PDF attached that says the same.
WikiLeaks - Search the DNC email database

DNC trying to get away with violating the Hatch Act.
WikiLeaks - Search the DNC email database

Democrats using interns to organize fake "protests."
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13830

RE: Action on DNC tomorrow (Immigration Raids).
https://www.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/9736​
 
The Democrats have more email woes. Trump should drive this home like no tomorrow and even use it to further drive a wedge between Clinton's and Sanders' camps.

Wasserman Schultz sidelined from convention as more emails show Sanders slams | Fox News

Pressure mounts on Wasserman Schultz to resign - CNNPolitics.com

In one, she practically laughed off Sanders after he vowed to replace her as DNC chairwoman if elected.

“This is a silly story. He isn't going to be president,” she wrote in the May 21 email.

DNC chief financial officer Brad Marshall wrote, “This would make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist.”
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Freefalling said:
The Democrats have more email woes. Trump should drive this home like no tomorrow and even use it to further drive a wedge between Clinton's and Sanders' camps.

Wasserman Schultz sidelined from convention as more emails show Sanders slams | Fox News

Pressure mounts on Wasserman Schultz to resign - CNNPolitics.com
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Not the best time for this much turmoil in the DNC. It does suggest a lack of leadership. It should have been obama as the party leader, until Clinton was named front runner. Sanders could make some hay out of this if he plays his cards right. I think Sanders would be harder for Trump to get the win.
 
Wasserman-Schultz was a certifiable idiot long before this little flap. I'm happy to see that she's being true to form and fucking things up. :D
 
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