2016 Presidential Race

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I'm seeing more of the people I know that have historically been on opposing "sides" share this sentiment.
He's definitely a good in-between candidate, and he's been able to jettison some of the more unpalatable ideas of the Libertarian party. I still have my concerns, however. The first and foremost is that I believe in a strong central government, and a relatively strong executive. I know that that's not necessarily the framer's intent, but I feel that history has shown us that America's issues are better managed by a strong federal government.

With that being said, Gary Johnson has almost no political cachet, and I sincerely doubt that he would be able to get much done in Congress. If anything, his Presidency would be pretty similar to the Obama Presidency. He would either have to work extremely hard to build a supporting coalition in Congress (difficult, but doable if you're a third party), or resort to executive actions where he could.

This is a big part of the reason why I see absolutely no point in voting for Trump. Even if you support every single point of his platform, he is so thoroughly despised by Congress that I could see him being a lame duck President by the second year of his term. Just imagine the level of obstructionism by the 110th through 114th Congress cranked up to 11. Yes, he would probably get two Supreme court appointments, but it's conceivable that those appointments would be about the only lasting impression the Trump Presidency leaves. Ignoring, of course, the entire shitshow of a campaign.

Love or hate Hillary, she is a political operative par excellence. It's hard to deny that she would absolutely get shit done. Now, if you don't like a strong federal government (or strong President) then I can't imagine that you would like that. However, if you're like me then this has obvious appeal. Still, it would require voting for a terrible human being and putting the stamp of approval on an arguably corrupt system. I'm not sure if I can hold my nose long enough to do that.

Anyway, that's my piece.
 
He's definitely a good in-between candidate, and he's been able to jettison some of the more unpalatable ideas of the Libertarian party. I still have my concerns, however. The first and foremost is that I believe in a strong central government, and a relatively strong executive. I know that that's not necessarily the framer's intent, but I feel that history has shown us that America's issues are better managed by a strong federal government.

With that being said, Gary Johnson has almost no political cachet, and I sincerely doubt that he would be able to get much done in Congress. If anything, his Presidency would be pretty similar to the Obama Presidency. He would either have to work extremely hard to build a supporting coalition in Congress (difficult, but doable if you're a third party), or resort to executive actions where he could.

This is a big part of the reason why I see absolutely no point in voting for Trump. Even if you support every single point of his platform, he is so thoroughly despised by Congress that I could see him being a lame duck President by the second year of his term. Just imagine the level of obstructionism by the 110th through 114th Congress cranked up to 11. Yes, he would probably get two Supreme court appointments, but it's conceivable that those appointments would be about the only lasting impression the Trump Presidency leaves. Ignoring, of course, the entire shitshow of a campaign.

Love or hate Hillary, she is a political operative par excellence. It's hard to deny that she would absolutely get shit done. Now, if you don't like a strong federal government (or strong President) then I can't imagine that you would like that. However, if you're like me then this has obvious appeal. Still, it would require voting for a terrible human being and putting the stamp of approval on an arguably corrupt system. I'm not sure if I can hold my nose long enough to do that.

Anyway, that's my piece.

Interesting. I read it a couple times; your perspective is intriguing to say the least.

Prediction about Trump's success in the Oval aside, do you not feel that HRC is equally despised, and because of her history, the GOP would be obstructionist at every turn? I think that regardless of who ends up as POTUS, it'll end up being gridlock.

I think she would get shit done, but mainly in over-reaching and Constitutionally-dubious EOs.
 
I have to wonder if Trump would be tempered by the "machine" in office while Clinton would either not care or bully her way through. Trump for all his bluster might actually slow down in office while Clinton ramps up.

The Johnson/Weld ticket is looking more attractive each day.

I'm voting for them. I don't believe in their ticket and barely know who they are but I'm voting for them. I would vote for the devil over Clinton and can't fathom voting for Trump. People say I'm throwing away my vote, but honestly, America needs more people to "throw away" their vote. Nothing will change until we manage to fire every incumbent, every slick career politician who gives us the same crap year in and year out. We need a revolution and not the kind with guns. We need to stand up and reject the status quo in some form or fashion, perhaps in several forms.

We the People are causing our own misery because we've bought into a two party "must vote" system and every single candidate knows that. They need to work for our votes or "get got" and the only way we're going to demonstrate that is through the ballot box.
 
He's definitely a good in-between candidate, and he's been able to jettison some of the more unpalatable ideas of the Libertarian party. I still have my concerns, however. The first and foremost is that I believe in a strong central government, and a relatively strong executive. I know that that's not necessarily the framer's intent, but I feel that history has shown us that America's issues are better managed by a strong federal government.

With that being said, Gary Johnson has almost no political cachet, and I sincerely doubt that he would be able to get much done in Congress. If anything, his Presidency would be pretty similar to the Obama Presidency. He would either have to work extremely hard to build a supporting coalition in Congress (difficult, but doable if you're a third party), or resort to executive actions where he could.

This is a big part of the reason why I see absolutely no point in voting for Trump. Even if you support every single point of his platform, he is so thoroughly despised by Congress that I could see him being a lame duck President by the second year of his term. Just imagine the level of obstructionism by the 110th through 114th Congress cranked up to 11. Yes, he would probably get two Supreme court appointments, but it's conceivable that those appointments would be about the only lasting impression the Trump Presidency leaves. Ignoring, of course, the entire shitshow of a campaign.

Love or hate Hillary, she is a political operative par excellence. It's hard to deny that she would absolutely get shit done. Now, if you don't like a strong federal government (or strong President) then I can't imagine that you would like that. However, if you're like me then this has obvious appeal. Still, it would require voting for a terrible human being and putting the stamp of approval on an arguably corrupt system. I'm not sure if I can hold my nose long enough to do that.

Anyway, that's my piece.
Trumps "Trump card" would be the Republican Base.
Agree, with a slight disagree. He had more than 10 million cast for him (more than any Republican Candidate ever) and I think his (extremely vocal) base will keep moderate Republicans in-check.
I also think Ryan losing in the Primary and Trump winning would send a powerful message to the surviving RINO's.

None of the candidate will enjoy a Republican Hose or Senate, Hillary needs a Democratic Senate to rig the Supreme Court and zap the 2nd Amendment.
 
Prediction about Trump's success in the Oval aside, do you not feel that HRC is equally despised, and because of her history, the GOP would be obstructionist at every turn? I think that regardless of who ends up as POTUS, it'll end up being gridlock.

I think she would get shit done, but mainly in over-reaching and Constitutionally-dubious EOs.
Good point. It's obvious that conservative media and Tea Party Republicans have a huge hate-boner for her, but I kind of assumed that establishment Republicans would be more accepting since she had a relatively inoffensive career in the Senate. But you're probably right; though she undoubtedly has curried some favor by being in politics as long as she has, the GOP has really cranked up the outrage machine to 11 with Benghazi and the Email thing. Still, she enjoys support among Democrats, which is more than Trump could claim.
 
As I watch the news channels and read different editorials, I have to wonder if this is the election where Gary Johnson could make an impact. It seems there are as many Dems who are not pleased their candidate is Hillary, as there are Republicans unamused that they have to vote for Trump.

He needs to get onto the debates or the conversation is a non-factor but given a 3rd option...hmmm...
 
Good point. It's obvious that conservative media and Tea Party Republicans have a huge hate-boner for her, but I kind of assumed that establishment Republicans would be more accepting since she had a relatively inoffensive career in the Senate. But you're probably right; though she undoubtedly has curried some favor by being in politics as long as she has, the GOP has really cranked up the outrage machine to 11 with Benghazi and the Email thing. Still, she enjoys support among Democrats, which is more than Trump could claim.

So you bring up an interesting point. Her stay in the Senate was inoffensive. Pretty bland by many measures. So what changed? I know her stepping into her poo vis-a-vis the emails and Benghazi were big "oopsies" with the GOP (because, face it, the dems just don't care). But politically, has she moved much, or are her talking points being forced to be liberalized because of the nomination?

And yes, Trump has no support, really. If he wins, when he walks into the capitol for the State of the Union, it'll be crickets.....
 
So you bring up an interesting point. Her stay in the Senate was inoffensive. Pretty bland by many measures. So what changed? I know her stepping into her poo vis-a-vis the emails and Benghazi were big "oopsies" with the GOP (because, face it, the dems just don't care). But politically, has she moved much, or are her talking points being forced to be liberalized because of the nomination?
It's probably a little bit of both. She has demonstrated that she's come around on gay marriage and a few other issues, likely because the rest of the party has as well. But we mustn't discount the Bernie effect - as much as it might be simple pandering, she has definitely cribbed a few lines from Sanders' playbook. Income inequality is a big issue, as is the burgeoning college loan bubble. Whether she actually takes action on those issues remains to be seen, but for now she's at least talking about them.

As for scandals, I'm not certain if Benghazi hurt her that much. Romney tried and failed to weaponize it in 2012, and I think that most people outside of conservative media are just sick of hearing about it. The e-mails are another story, though. Those definitely put a dent in her armor. If you watch the RCP poll average in the weeks before the FBI announcement as well as right after, her numbers barely move. If anything, they take a slight dip. If the public had a more positive view of the email incident, I believe that we would've seen a decent bump after Comey cleared her of charges. The fact that her numbers didn't move and have started to slide in recent weeks is indicative that the email scandal has rhetorical power, and as @DA SWO pointed out, Trump would be foolish not to bludgeon her with it.
 
It's probably a little bit of both. She has demonstrated that she's come around on gay marriage and a few other issues, likely because the rest of the party has as well. But we mustn't discount the Bernie effect - as much as it might be simple pandering, she has definitely cribbed a few lines from Sanders' playbook. Income inequality is a big issue, as is the burgeoning college loan bubble. Whether she actually takes action on those issues remains to be seen, but for now she's at least talking about them.

As for scandals, I'm not certain if Benghazi hurt her that much. Romney tried and failed to weaponize it in 2012, and I think that most people outside of conservative media are just sick of hearing about it. The e-mails are another story, though. Those definitely put a dent in her armor. If you watch the RCP poll average in the weeks before the FBI announcement as well as right after, her numbers barely move. If anything, they take a slight dip. If the public had a more positive view of the email incident, I believe that we would've seen a decent bump after Comey cleared her of charges. The fact that her numbers didn't move and have started to slide in recent weeks is indicative that the email scandal has rhetorical power, and as @DA SWO pointed out, Trump would be foolish not to bludgeon her with it.

I honestly doubt she's changed and would follow through with most Bernie type changes. She's just buying votes from the Sanders camp, they are pissed and rightfully so. Frankly if the party cared as much as they should about their membership and the American people; the first speech at the DNC should have dropped her. Permitting a "reset" of sorts. I don't like Bernie's extreme socialist agenda but the man deserved a chance.
 
Feel the Bern

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All that work, all that money. And most recently, the corruption in his own party against him.

In the end, he towed the party line and folded like a cheap suit.

So much for sticking to your guns and principles.
 
Wouldn't that be more Libertarian? Do what you want just don't make me pay for it?

No. I think the government has an important part to play, and think taxes are their main revenue. There is no one who can stand up to certain problem parties except the government. You and I can't stand up to Duke Energy while they ruin parts of NC, our state government currently won't either.
 
So Donald was like...Russia, we don't have her emails but I'm sure you do, so release them. And then people attack him for it being an issue of National Security...well HRC made it an issue, he's just pushing the ball up the court.
 
So Donald was like...Russia, we don't have her emails but I'm sure you do, so release them. And then people attack him for it being an issue of National Security...well HRC made it an issue, he's just pushing the ball up the court.

I don't see how the MSM is spinning his comments that he told Russia to hack Clinton. Really does show how the American public is being subjected to internal MISO.

The system is rigged.

Donald Trump encourages Russia to hack Hillary Clinton - CNNPolitics.com

Donald Trump's Plea to Russian Hackers Roils Presidential Campaign

What if they DO release the deleted emails? What then?
 
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