Yes it has. The date of this article is 1996 and the RTU option looks to have had a real effect.
SAS men are ordered never to write books
SAS men are ordered never to write books
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Florida173
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Relentless Strike is a pretty good indicator that NDAs don't work.. Especially when people feel they've been slighted
ThunderHorse
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When people violate their NDAs, you hold them accountable. We haven't done that last part often.
It does have an effect, but an RTU wouldn't work on someone who has got out but would be a pretty effective measure whilst in. Perhaps stipulating a mandatory time period post employment as part of an NDA. (Please excuse the scant knowledge of any U.S. NDA).
I’m not sure. I know the Bin Laden sell out did because the DOD went after him. I think he is the only one they went after. Anyway. It’s clearly a cultural problem.
NDAs only cover classified information - at least in the US.
Except that a MANPAD and RPG have different flight characteristics. I don't recall eyewitnesses claiming either TURBINE 33 or EXTORTION 17 were hit by anything other than an RPG. To say that an RPG can't shoot down a Chinook without dipping into a large bucket of luck is utter madness.
I thought the article was solid until the Chinook portion. That doesn't mean the other info is wrong, but it detracts from the message.[/QUOTE]
I don't disagree but what I meant was that he seems sincere in his opinion- whether that is because he can't accept it or whatever, he does seem sincere.
Secrets of the SAS: In Their Own Words | Netflix
While one Netflix show is far less than a whole book series on training your dog the Navy SEAL way, it could be a launching point for more.
Anyone who was ever granted a clearance is required to sign an NDA. AFAIK anyone in uniform assigned to a SOF unit must have a clearance.NDAs cover classified information, which often covers SOF TTPs. Anyone read onto special access programs has an additional NDA. Units may have unit-specific NDAs.
Standard Form 312 - Wikipedia
Standard Form 312 - Wikipedia
ThunderHorse
Verified Military
You mean a DoN sponsored recruiting piece? Big difference here.
I agree. There is nothing wrong with DoD-approved work on movies, TV shows, books, or going on the talk show circuit. It's not even that hard; I co-authored a book that is full of literal war stories from the Ranger Regiment and we did it with the full approval of the Regiment. The problem is, most people don't even try to get permission. They sell out their units and personal integrity for the almighty dollar, because they know they will most likely never get called to account for it. Before the recoupment effort on the "Bin Laden Shooter," about the only thing that would happen to you is that you don't get invited to the unit picnic and your former team mates say mean things about you on Twitter. "Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of ALL THIS MONEY!!!"
Until/unless people start going to jail over this stuff, it's going to continue to get worse.
I also think there's a collective reputational issue as well - across the board. Even if members of a unit or organization go 'by-the-book' with permissions and classifications the accumulation of material and actions affect the overall reputation of the organization. I think the USMC deals with this better than the other services. My perception - from the outside - is they are very leary of individual units or organizations building an individual brand. They recognize it's going to come back on the USMC as a whole - thus are very cognizant of the reputation of the Corps. I think it's something the other services could learn from as we talk about 'you ain't shit if you're not - Cav, Ranger, SF, CA, airborne, armor, Rembass' (I wish the last one were more of a joke :).
Maybe it gets to the wider discussion of 'war porn' and 'veteran style' where a bunch of dudes with sleeve tattoos and beards cash in on that branding - whether they served or not. I think Havok Journal has written about this phenomenon...
I have a question from a business/civilian point of view since and it has more to do with the branding of things and less of the ethics and morality of violating your NDA and unit secrecy.
There are a plethora of military aimed clothing, coffee, and lifestyle websites (Black Rifle, ZF, Mountain Tactical, OAF Nation, etc.). Why don't the people in question go that route with more of a general "military" theme (instead of for example "The SEAL way of making your bed").
I understand that you need to create appeal for your product and really from a general civilian standpoint the top "cool guy" unit are SEALS right now (just like Special Forces were and Rangers were at a later point). But what happens when they're no longer flavor of the month for Special Operations are they still going to hold onto the weight that their unit name has even if it may not be as relevant in the public eye?
**I feel I need to clarify a little because this can be misconstrued, I don't mean to discredit the work that SEALS have done past and present. But speaking from the view of a civilian we hear so much more about SEALS than we do literally any other unit out their. What I'm failing to say is that if a Green Beret and a SEAL both published a book right now, I have no doubt in my mind that the latter would get much more attention simply for the fact that they have more "popularity" in the public eye right now.
So that brings up my question of instead of trying to make everything SEAL related or throw it in as a tagline to draw in views. Why don't they adopt a more warrior ethos approach, sort of like what Jocko does or even ZF. Both have massive followings and yet neither pimp out their unit or branch for it.
Apologies if this is confusing to read, I'm more than willing to try and clarify if need be.
There are a plethora of military aimed clothing, coffee, and lifestyle websites (Black Rifle, ZF, Mountain Tactical, OAF Nation, etc.). Why don't the people in question go that route with more of a general "military" theme (instead of for example "The SEAL way of making your bed").
I understand that you need to create appeal for your product and really from a general civilian standpoint the top "cool guy" unit are SEALS right now (just like Special Forces were and Rangers were at a later point). But what happens when they're no longer flavor of the month for Special Operations are they still going to hold onto the weight that their unit name has even if it may not be as relevant in the public eye?
**I feel I need to clarify a little because this can be misconstrued, I don't mean to discredit the work that SEALS have done past and present. But speaking from the view of a civilian we hear so much more about SEALS than we do literally any other unit out their. What I'm failing to say is that if a Green Beret and a SEAL both published a book right now, I have no doubt in my mind that the latter would get much more attention simply for the fact that they have more "popularity" in the public eye right now.
So that brings up my question of instead of trying to make everything SEAL related or throw it in as a tagline to draw in views. Why don't they adopt a more warrior ethos approach, sort of like what Jocko does or even ZF. Both have massive followings and yet neither pimp out their unit or branch for it.
Apologies if this is confusing to read, I'm more than willing to try and clarify if need be.
Because people idolize the "cool guy" on the street. The only reason you enter into a business is to maximize economic profits. If I own a t-shirt business I want to know what's selling so I can make the most amount of money.
Topkick
Verified Military
And the cool guys on the street are SEALs. Everyone else is just not as cool right now. As for a "General military theme", Conventional Army guys like myself are not allowed to have cool beards and have to play by the rules, use military issue gear, and wear issued uniforms. That just doesn't sell products like Navy SEAL beard oil and operator hats and doesn't look as cool in the movies.
I get that and I touched on that point, but they don't even have to tap into the cool guy factor just more of that "dude bro veteran" with beards, full sleeves,etc. (Il Duce tocuhed on this and I believe OAF has an article delving into this persona). Or even going the route Jocko does and doing a leader/warrior ethos approach, it's harder to maintain that clean image but personally I believe you get more respect for it.
Then again, you can argue that a lot of the ZeroFoxtrot clothing is to give that "coolguy" feel and also add to the fact that why try and work hard when you can make the quick buck (i.e. throw a SEAL tag into everything). Damn...talk about a shit sandwich all the way around.
Then again, you can argue that a lot of the ZeroFoxtrot clothing is to give that "coolguy" feel and also add to the fact that why try and work hard when you can make the quick buck (i.e. throw a SEAL tag into everything). Damn...talk about a shit sandwich all the way around.
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