Covid-19

[TLDR20]

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That is quite a lot of cardiac events right? The aortic dissection is obviously not included in my point that there are more people on this short list we saw in entire YEARS before 2020/2021.

2/6 of those are suspicious. For sure. 3 were old and obese, and one had a trauma.

Has anyone considered if maybe, people who’ve had Covid are also at long term risk of developing severe sequelae, or are we just focused on the vaccine right now?

Covid causes severe vascular problems. How many of these deaths had had Covid? Anyone want to guess?

 

[ThunderHorse]

2/6 of those are suspicious. For sure. 3 were old and obese, and one had a trauma.

Has anyone considered if maybe, people who’ve had Covid are also at long term risk of developing severe sequelae, or are we just focused on the vaccine right now?

Covid causes severe vascular problems. How many of these deaths had Covid? Anyone want to guess?

Extremely and utterly emphatically no. This is the most healthy population and contains genetic outliers as it relates to the level of athletic talent to ever be birthed. But hey don't trust my word for it.

Long term effects of COVID on players in the big 5+WNBA sports leagues is at a crazy small rate. Joint Statement on behalf of MLB, MLS, NBA, NHL, NFL and WNBA

Of the 786 cases 4.716 (so 5) athletes had evidence of inflammatory heart disease. And of those 5, their recovery continued the further they got away from original infection. (Some doctors in the SportsMed space are nuts and complete covidiots) Most rational folks in the industry look at what the Big 6 did when it came to contact tracing bracelets and isolation of unvaccinated players from meetings as extremely unnecessary especially as the infection rates of those vaccinated continued to climb. Leading the NFLPA and NFL to just say fuck it. But the CDC said fuck it like six months ago to, your vaccination status is no longer considered a control status.

But hey I just was the testing coordinator for a small sports league with over 600 athletes and I saw what the effects of our policy was.

ETA:
Just like when @amlove21 and I said vaccinating Soldiers/Airmen/Marines/Sailors/Puddle Pirates/Star Trekkians was not only immoral but the wrong thing to do based on the science we had at the time "hey if you're really healthy, this will be the sniffles at worst". So the science may be still be out, but my huevos were telling me something in April 2020 that seems to be aligned with the science that has been coming out since last Summer.

 

[TLDR20]

Extremely and utterly emphatically no. This is the most healthy population and contains genetic outliers as it relates to the level of athletic talent to ever be birthed. But hey don't trust my word for it.

Long term effects of COVID on players in the big 5+WNBA sports leagues is at a crazy small rate. Joint Statement on behalf of MLB, MLS, NBA, NHL, NFL and WNBA

Of the 786 cases 4.716 (so 5) athletes had evidence of inflammatory heart disease. And of those 5, their recovery continued the further they got away from original infection. (Some doctors in the SportsMed space are nuts and complete covidiots) Most rational folks in the industry look at what the Big 6 did when it came to contact tracing bracelets and isolation of unvaccinated players from meetings as extremely unnecessary especially as the infection rates of those vaccinated continued to climb. Leading the NFLPA and NFL to just say fuck it. But the CDC said fuck it like six months ago to, your vaccination status is no longer considered a control status.

But hey I just was the testing coordinator for a small sports league with over 600 athletes and I saw what the effects of our policy was.

ETA:
Just like when @amlove21 and I said vaccinating Soldiers/Airmen/Marines/Sailors/Puddle Pirates/Star Trekkians was not only immoral but the wrong thing to do based on the science we had at the time "hey if you're really healthy, this will be the sniffles at worst". So the science may be still be out, but my huevos were telling me something in April 2020 that seems to be aligned with the science that has been coming out since last Summer.

The list that Amlove posted is filled with people in their 60’s. The most recent 6 he posted 3/6 were over 60 and one got nuked in the chest.

So you know what the long term effects of a novel disease are, but not what the long term effects of the vaccine are, right? Or you know what the vaccine does, but also know the disease doesn’t cause problems? Just so we are on the same page

 

[TLDR20]

I don’t think it is crazy to ask questions. But if ruling out a huge differential is part of it, y’all are doing it wrong.

Before anyone says “that’s what you did in the Hamlin case” I do not believe that the vaccine is a relevant or related differential diagnosis in the presence of acute onset vfib post trauma.

 

[TLDR20]

This whole thing is absurd:

Side “A” : maybe this thing we’d never heard of caused problems we didn’t foresee.

Side “B” : No, the thing with scary letters is causing literally every heart attack, stroke, or case of cancer in anyone who ever played sports, ever.

I honestly would like nothing more than for there to be good evidence that vaccine related deaths were higher. The vaccine made me feel like shit, I’m. It getting another one unless i have to in order to get that bread. Also I wouldn’t have to be involved in this thread anymore.

But then I read some of the “evidence” y’all post. Where a 65 year old obese black man dies of a heart attack and you blame it on a vaccine? Like yo, 65 year old men is like the prime demographic for dying of a heart attack, 50+ male and black are the top 3 unmodifiable risk factor for heart disease. You trying to tell me 1100 or whatever young healthy athletes died suddenly, then I look at your evidence and it is FULL of people who died of cancer, committed suicide, fell off structures or hit their heads? Gimme a break.

When you post absolute nonsense like that I push back. I don’t care about your opinion, honestly I don’t care if you get a vaccine, at all, but if your argument is actually horseshit I’m gonna push back.

 

[JedisonsDad]

I’m derailing this conversation.

What would be the rate of heart issues if the big sports mandated steroids?

I mean, these guys are getting paid ridiculous amounts to entertain us, so let’s make it worth our money. I want to see genetically modified humans crashing into each other. I want to see arm monsters knocking baseballs miles away.

I get paid way less, and get asked to do much more harmful things to my body.

 

[TLDR20]

I’m derailing this conversation.

What would be the rate of heart issues if the big sports mandated steroids?

I mean, these guys are getting paid ridiculous amounts to entertain us, so let’s make it worth our money. I want to see genetically modified humans crashing into each other. I want to see arm monsters knocking baseballs miles away.

I get paid way less, and get asked to do much more harmful things to my body.

I do too, and for the most part you are. A huge percentage of athletes use PED’s.

 

[JedisonsDad]

I do too, and for the most part you are. A huge percentage of athletes use PED’s.

But I want it mandated and encouraged. I want Rollerball-esque leagues. The good one from the 70s, not the bullshit remake.

 

[ThunderHorse]

I’m derailing this conversation.

What would be the rate of heart issues if the big sports mandated steroids?

I mean, these guys are getting paid ridiculous amounts to entertain us, so let’s make it worth our money. I want to see genetically modified humans crashing into each other. I want to see arm monsters knocking baseballs miles away.

I get paid way less, and get asked to do much more harmful things to my body.

Incredibly harmful. But hey, athletes would rather get concussed than tear their ACL almost 100% of the time.

I do too, and for the most part you are. A huge percentage of athletes use PED’s.

No you don't [want to know/see the results]. You really don't. (the rate of heart failure and such would sky-rocket. Just look at pro bodybuilders for reference)

 

[Devildoc]

I am not willing to discount the potential severity and harm of the vaccine. I have seen the data regarding cardiomyopathy. I'm also willing to entertain the possibility that the vaccine, as well as the disease, has increased morbidity and mortality in young people, to include athletes.

That said: A lot of the deaths are easily explainable by things other than the vaccine and/or the disease. We need meaningful data before we can have an "aha!" moment. But I also know this: even without the data, something just doesn't feel right by a lot of what we are seeing and reading about. But nothing, and I mean nothing, in medicine moves without data.

 

[TLDR20]

I am not willing to discount the potential severity and harm of the vaccine. I have seen the data regarding cardiomyopathy. I'm also willing to entertain the possibility that the vaccine, as well as the disease, has increased morbidity and mortality in young people, to include athletes.

That said: A lot of the deaths are easily explainable by things other than the vaccine and/or the disease. We need meaningful data before we can have an "aha!" moment. But I also know this: even without the data, something just doesn't feel right by a lot of what we are seeing and reading about. But nothing, and I mean nothing, in medicine moves without data.

I agree with every single thing you wrote.

 

[amlove21]

Well, considering this is the 20th go round in these times- I’ll just wait. Everything else we have talked about has come true. So, just put a pin in it, and we can read about it in like 6 months.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Just my perception, but It ‘feels’ to me that the people questioning this vaccine, are the same people who were demonizing Jenny McCarthy when she was on her campaign that the Measles vaccine was causing autism.

Is there a difference?

* Obvious disclaimer: I’m not talking about anyone in this forum, but the generalized ‘people’ overall

 

[TLDR20]

Just my perception, but It ‘feels’ to me that the people questioning this vaccine, are the same people who were demonizing Jenny McCarthy when she was on her campaign that the Measles vaccine was causing autism.

Is there a difference?

* Obvious disclaimer: I’m not talking about anyone in this forum, but the generalized ‘people’ overall

Are the same? Im not sure. I don’t think they are very related. I think there is overlap, but im not sure. I would hope that most people are sure of the efficacy of commonly administered vaccinations. However the recent uptick in vaccine preventable diseases tells me that vaccine hesitancy is at an all time high, and that sucks. It will be fun when kids start getting polio again.

But then again, people are questioning germ theory and if viruses are real in this thread so I don’t know.

 

[RackMaster]

But I want it mandated and encouraged. I want Rollerball-esque leagues. The good one from the 70s, not the bullshit remake.

 

[AWP]

Just my perception, but It ‘feels’ to me that the people questioning this vaccine, are the same people who were demonizing Jenny McCarthy when she was on her campaign that the Measles vaccine was causing autism.

Is there a difference?

* Obvious disclaimer: I’m not talking about anyone in this forum, but the generalized ‘people’ overall

McCarthy was against vaccines that were around for years based on a study shown to be flawed vice a vaccine around for months based on studies shown to be...yeah.

 

[amlove21]

But then again, people are questioning germ theory and if viruses are real in this thread so I don’t know.

Germ theory not being real is 100% my favorite conspiracy theory. The CIA killing Kennedy and UFOs are just too blasè now.

 

[GOTWA]

So you're telling me I need to wash my hands...but only rinse my fruit?

 

[Devildoc]

Germ theory not being real is 100% my favorite conspiracy theory. The CIA killing Kennedy and UFOs are just too blasè now.

So you're telling me I need to wash my hands...but only rinse my fruit?

Eating from a food truck from any bordertown in Mexico and not washing your hands will definitively prove any theory of germ existence and transmission you will ever need to know.

 

[GOTWA]

Eating from a food truck from any bordertown in Mexico and not washing your hands will definitively prove any theory of germ existence and transmission you will ever need to know.

I was born and raised in Arizona. I'd survive that one.