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Females in Ranger School
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As someone who has been assigned to three "elite units" and served overseas in support of most of the rest of them, I can tell you that women most definitely have a place in SOF. I can also tell you that someone displaying the lack of maturity you have shown so far most likely won't make it in a SOF unit of any stripe. I know for a fact that you won't make it on this site.
I'm giving you seven days off the site to reflect on this thread, including why no one has voiced support for your point of view. If, after your temp ban expires, you ever disparage the service of any military members (male or female), make extraordinarily uninformed posts about subjects you know absolutely nothing about, or do anything else that irritates the site staff or causes a disturbance on the site, I'll change your username to "Futile Leader" and make the ban permanent.
You are a 16 year old JROTC high school student, and you think you can come onto a professional forum like this and insult every woman who has worn the uniform you wish to wear? You think you have an opinion on anything regarding the military, much less who is qualified to serve in that military, when you have not even graduated high school?
Young man, you need to pull your head out of your ignorant ass and wake up to the world around you. The service women (past and present) who fought for the freedom to allow you to form and voice you ignorant beliefs deserve your respect and gratitude. If you cannot educate yourself enough to respect these women, you have no business ever serving in any branch of the armed forces…period.
You owe these service women an apology and you had better check your moral compass before you proceed any further with aspiration of joining the military.
Army Values:
Loyalty
Duty
Respect
Selfless Service
Honor
Integrity
Personal Courage
Do you think you utilized any of the Army values when developing that post?
From your profile:
I think not.....so to break it down nice and slow for you, STFU - pull your head out of your ignorant ass and show the service women of this country some respect.
ETA: Just saw his response to Fire Medic's post. This kid should not be on this forum, disrespect like that and his disrespect towards the service women on this forum is beyond forgivable. $0.02
You know what makes me mad? Going into the Banned Users queue and seeing your name next to theirs. It makes me feel like I've failed the members when the alledged "Good Admin" conducts a banning.
Very sad.
*Stands, Starts Slow Clap*
That was just- beautiful. I'll bet Free gets mad butthurt that you beat him to that thrashing.
Yup.
Seriously though, well played.
I need to stop sleeping in on the weekends.
I don't know if this term is used at any other places but Philly but you sir are a TOOL BAG...
F.M.
I think he gets the point. Or doesn't. I'm done talking about it. He's wasted enough of our time.
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Let us all move forward and bring this conversation back to the issue at hand:
Females in Ranger School.
Females in Ranger School.
LMAO....thank you for that sir....I'm sitting in a very boring class at the moment!
While in Great Lakes, I saw 6-8 females come into the EOD/DIVE prep program. None of them made it through because the standards were the same for everyone involved. In each case, their short comings revolved around a lack of upper body strength.
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When I went through, I knew two females going through the pipeline (EOD), one of whom made it. When I got to my first command, my LPO's wife turned out to be an EOD Tech. She was (and still is) a hard little badass who rucks at the same standards as the rest of the team. She is the physical 'exception' that justifies allowing women to pursue certain SOF in this service branch.
KISS alert: Women meet the same standards men have to currently meet. Then there would be no debate. I believe that should have been step 1 in this "transition". Then there would be no doubt AT ALL as to whether or not she should be there. The problem is, IMHO, that women have never been held to same standards.
http://sofrep.com/16753/truth-about-women-combat/
Jack Murphy writes in the above article that the standards are always and eventually lowered to accomodate a quota. This is now being called "critical mass" by certain leaders. As has been said countless times on this forum and elsewhere there are women that can do it. However they are very, very rare. For example of the 74,000 cadets that passed through ROTC Advance Camp between 1992 and 2011 only 72 female cadet met the minimum male standard on the APFT.
Standardization and uniformity are vital for unit cohesion. With the "drawdown" IMHO we should have started by enforcing the current standard then brought women up to the male standard. Yes we would have less females but we would have the most fit personnel remaining and the espirit de corps and pride in each other would go through the roof!
http://sofrep.com/16753/truth-about-women-combat/
Jack Murphy writes in the above article that the standards are always and eventually lowered to accomodate a quota. This is now being called "critical mass" by certain leaders. As has been said countless times on this forum and elsewhere there are women that can do it. However they are very, very rare. For example of the 74,000 cadets that passed through ROTC Advance Camp between 1992 and 2011 only 72 female cadet met the minimum male standard on the APFT.
Standardization and uniformity are vital for unit cohesion. With the "drawdown" IMHO we should have started by enforcing the current standard then brought women up to the male standard. Yes we would have less females but we would have the most fit personnel remaining and the espirit de corps and pride in each other would go through the roof!
Here's a funny little "item" that goes with allowing women into SOF or combat of any sort.
As of this writing you would be investigated for an EO complaint for calling her a "hard little badass"......huh-uh, oh-no. ...counseling statement, sign here - Block 12, and don't let it happen again. Now you look like a putz in front of the command and she gets promoted, and all for what once was considered a great compliment.
I should know.....I mentioned to someone in a totally different company that a co-worker, yes, in a combat zone, was a "stateside 10". Now, to anyone who knows what a "stateside1" is, a 10 is exactly what it says.....a 10....sign here -----> Block 12. Don't let it happen again.....
:wall:So now the Infantry and SOF have to tiptoe on eggshells around women in the foxhole as well as be prepared to carry the wounded women out because the woman can't carry the wounded man out....makes total sense to me....:wall:
Not a fan.
2c
Even if they pass all the PT standards and all, won't it be a problem when they will simply not get Selected by the cadre that runs SFAS/RASP/RS/GP/whatever?
Will it only be a matter of time when they will demand female instructors to do the selecting, to make sure it's all 'equal' ?
Will it only be a matter of time when they will demand female instructors to do the selecting, to make sure it's all 'equal' ?
No idea sir. I can say that after a good while in Infantry units and now in a "co-ed" unit, the women here are most emphatically against being assigned to a combat battalion. Australia opened up its combat units to women and so far they haven't had any takers. Short answer there just doesn't seem to be much interest from female servicemembers.
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2013/01/ap-women-want-toughest-fighting-jobs-010513/
