Females in Ranger School

[Mad boomer]

I just hope I'm in the first female class. Perhaps their focus will be on them and have less "who the fuck is that old guy?".

Regardless, they'll be peered out. The shitty thing is if thry're allowed to attend RS, you WILL see female 35Ps serving as SOT-As (V-coded billets have prevented it previously).

If females are accepted no one is going to do any controversial calls for fear of career retaliation. In fact the big award will go to the guy that graduates the first females to demonstrate it can be done. That will be a big browny award for the O that can make that happen. And one very happy CSM at his side back slapping him with a big smile. The US Army has a bright future ahead...

 

[reed11b]

Mobile field showers, sanitary napkins the new mobile field out houses and sensitivity training for all Ranger instructors. Female Ranger instructors as well to enforce the special standards fairly. If they become pregnant in Ranger school do they get to re-cycle, how about heavy flow days, we have some planning to do here. How about peering? what officer in command is going to allowing peering of a female via an all male squad. Ain't gonna happen! So many very important issues to solve and so far to go, what a bright tolerant future. The first new priority military objective of inclusiveness, tolerance and equality (kind of...) will soon be a dream fulfilled. Soon our military will be just like our European partner forces. I have a nightmare...

Again, I agree that RS is not the place for females, and that guidance behind this is not based on need, however your specific examples are a lot conjuncture with ZERO evidence. I used to be one of the people shouting the same things at the top of my lungs, but again, my real world experience when I served with women in a remote 1 company camp with no existing hygiene facilities was that none of that shit happened. ZERO women lost due to hygiene issues or pregnancies and zero losses due to sexual harrasment charges. You an believe it as strongly as you want, but till I see it in the real world, I'm going to doubt it's legitimacy.
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[AWP]

RE: hygiene, I've never encountered that to be a problem with female soldiers.

RE: One week of the month I have seen a huge impact in how female soldiers conduct themselves. know some who have performed wonderfully when Aunt Flo is in town...some you didn't even know she was there...they were that professional about it. Here it comes, but I have personally been around when up to 50% of the female soldiers suddenly had a heavy period and couldn't participate in the field or more strenuous garrison activities like O courses and even PT. I've had female soldiers admit that they did that to get out of a ruck march or an extra night or two in the field....outright admit it to their fellow soldiers. Quite a few of my OCS class suddenly had "medical problems" and had to ride the CQ desk AFTER (here's the RS tie-in), AFTER receiving their last GO in a leadership position.

Was that every female soldier? Of course not and the numbers were consistently around the 30% mark with some instances higher or lower....but 30% was the average across Basic, AIT, PLDC, and OCS.

There's one loophole that needs to be addressed IMO. I'm not so much against women in combat as I am the degradation of the standards or double standards when compared to their male counterparts. Until they make ovary- or testicle-seeking bullets the battlefield won't discriminate.

 

[Mad boomer]

RE: hygiene, I've never encountered that to be a problem with female soldiers.

RE: One week of the month I have seen a huge impact in how female soldiers conduct themselves. know some who have performed wonderfully when Aunt Flo is in town...some you didn't even know she was there...they were that professional about it. Here it comes, but I have personally been around when up to 50% of the female soldiers suddenly had a heavy period and couldn't participate in the field or more strenuous garrison activities like O courses and even PT. I've had female soldiers admit that they did that to get out of a ruck march or an extra night or two in the field....outright admit it to their fellow soldiers. Quite a few of my OCS class suddenly had "medical problems" and had to ride the CQ desk AFTER (here's the RS tie-in), AFTER receiving their last GO in a leadership position.

Was that every female soldier? Of course not and the numbers were consistently around the 30% mark with some instances higher or lower....but 30% was the average across Basic, AIT, PLDC, and OCS.

There's one loophole that needs to be addressed IMO. I'm not so much against women in combat as I am the degradation of the standards or double standards when compared to their male counterparts. Until they make ovary- or testicle-seeking bullets the battlefield won't discriminate.

My experience serving with and supervising females wasn't as positive as REED11B. This maybe a minority view and only but one example of many views out there. I think the main point is regardless of all the sarcasm and criticism in my post is and will remain the holding of the standards and the fact there is going to be allot of PC stuff to facilitate this. If the powers that be decide this is the new priority it will be come a taboo to speak out against it immediately. We will make it happen and we won't have choice.

 

[Etype]

I served with women in a remote 1 company camp

And we keep women in remote mud huts and don't have issues. The issue is, it wouldn't be the same having them in the field for a month. On top of that, the field is a controlled environment, whether it's Ranger School, SFQC, etc. Heaven forbid we have to engage in a real war and there are women in combat arms.

The invasions saw people living in some pretty rough conditions, but since we we're the world champs and were fighting the special olympics alternates, they didn't last for very long. Imagine getting locked into a real fight against a real world power- not likely, but that's what we should be preparing for. We're already seeing our world power status slide fiscally, we don't need to degrade it militarily.

 

[Etype]

Contingency planning-
What if Sally loses her ruck during a river crossing?
risk mitigation- Every soldier carries 5 tampons.

And that's how tampon cross loading was born.

 

[Mad boomer]

Contingency planning-
What if Sally loses her ruck during a river crossing?
risk mitigation- Every soldier carries 5 tampons.

And that's how tampon cross loading was born.

thinking inside the box...

 

[Etype]

thinking inside the box...

This is why we can't have females around.

I guess I'm wrong for assuming Sally prefers tampons.

 

[AWP]

This is why we can't have females around.

I guess I'm wrong for assuming Sally prefers tampons.

Now you have to carry 5 of those and 10 pads: 5 regular and 5 thin/ slim or whatever.

Actually, this is how we end all of this nonsense. We allow the Army/ PEO Soldier to design/ bid on a universal feminine hygiene product...not unlike how UCP was approved. Since UCP is clearly a superior camouflage pattern to other alternatives our female soldiers can be assured that their needs will be met just as well. And if you want to use a civilian hygiene product? See also: PMAG's.

I should be in charge.

 

[Etype]

Shadow Spear is full of win. This place is a win network. In fact, I think the Army should become a republic and Shadow Spear should be it's senate.

 

[Spider6]

Etype....LMAO....Just sent you a PM about a female LTC recommending that us guy cadets carrying tampoons in our ammo pouches if we really wanted to be senistive to our female counterparts! Needless to say we (male and female) were flabbergasted. That was back in 1995 at Fort Bragg.

 

[Muppet]

Etype....LMAO....Just sent you a PM about a female LTC recommending that us guy cadets carrying tampoons in our ammo pouches if we really wanted to be senistive to our female counterparts! Needless to say we (male and female) were flabbergasted. That was back in 1995 at Fort Bragg.

Sir, where were you @ Bragg in 95? I was there same time.

F.M.

 

[racing_kitty]

Etype....LMAO....Just sent you a PM about a female LTC recommending that us guy cadets carrying tampoons in our ammo pouches if we really wanted to be senistive to our female counterparts! Needless to say we (male and female) were flabbergasted. That was back in 1995 at Fort Bragg.

For the love of whatever god I've picked off the list today, PLEEEEEEEASE tell me that's a joke. Please? With tears in my eyes, I'm begging you, tell me you're kidding. FFS, at least my unit was kind enough to lie to me and say that tampons were good for plugging up bullet holes.


Shit like that makes me want to go sit in a corner with a rusted spoon, gouge out my ovaries, and sew on a big rubber dick just for looks....

 

[Ranger Psych]

For the love of whatever god I've picked off the list today, PLEEEEEEEASE tell me that's a joke. Please? With tears in my eyes, I'm begging you, tell me you're kidding. FFS, at least my unit was kind enough to lie to me and say that tampons were good for plugging up bullet holes.


Shit like that makes me want to go sit in a corner with a rusted spoon, gouge out my ovaries, and sew on a big rubber dick just for looks....

That'll get you a date in the navy, or a posting on a submarine.

 

[racing_kitty]

That'll get you a date in the navy, or a posting on a submarine.

I hate you..... ;)

 

[reed11b]

Shit like that makes me want to go sit in a corner with a rusted spoon, gouge out my ovaries, and sew on a big rubber dick just for looks....

traumatized!
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[racing_kitty]

traumatized!
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My good deed for the night.

 

[AWP]

Shit like that makes me want to go sit in a corner with a rusted spoon, gouge out my ovaries, and sew on a big rubber dick just for looks....

I've seen movies with a similar theme, PM inbound.

 

[goon175]

that was the most awesome combination of words ever!

 

[Mad boomer]

During my time in the Infantry my platoon had mascots. You know honorary members as well as my Sniper detachment the same. My Sniper Det. even had a Mother and daughter team that were both strippers. The same girls who were "hang arounds" that were let us say adopted by the platoon and kind of property of thing. As a Sniper det. NCOIC, Squad leader and platoon Sergeant it was never really comforting to see the girls in the area on weekends after duty hours. Grunts and "Joe" in general is a filthy nasty beast with very basic motivations. He requires a special kind of direction and management at times, sensitive guidance if you will. In "Maslows scale of hierarchy of needs" he is a basic animal that breaks the rules of humanity. Just saying...

"Joe" treads water in the PHYSIOLOGICAL area for many years. At least until the rank of Specialist sometimes SSG maybe even SFC in really hard cases . The SAFETY area is very fluid at times. Then at about Sergeant generally he hits his stride at Semi-LOVE/BELONGING. A true career Grunt stops at ESTEEM and never passes it as a CSM, maybe. ;) Like I used to tell one of my CSMs who really greatly disliked me "Sergeant Major there's no E-10, HooOah!"...

Os tend to skip everything and go right to SELF-ACTUALIZATION just ask any new LT. "You can't spell lost without LT."

Combine my personal observations and conclusions above and I think you can begin to see my view of this topic clearly. I just don't see this working out well for anyone. But hey what the heck the ride should be fun... I'm retired now so the show should be good from my seat.