The ACA/ Obamacare Website Fiasco Thread

Scotth said:
Paul Ryan said it was a culture issue and cited Charles Murphy who tried to argue race influences intelligence.

The people on Maher's show argued they were economically disadvantage with poor schools, hospitals, no jobs in the inner city etc.

Believe what you will but they weren't making the same argument.
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The poor only live in the inner cities?
 
lindy said:
The poor only live in the inner cities?
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Of course they don't. There are poor everywhere. But poor people living in the suburbs have access to the better school systems found in suburbs along with other services etc.

I wasn't defending any position in my previous post. I pointed out that they didn't present the same arguments.
 
Scotth said:
Of course they don't. There are poor everywhere. But poor people living in the suburbs have access to the better school systems found in suburbs along with other services etc.

I wasn't defending any position in my previous post. I pointed out that they didn't present the same arguments.
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Seriously,

I spent most of my life in the Suburbs, and my schooling sucked balls.
I couldn't believe how crappy my Guidence Consellors were compared to my other classmates (in college). Some suburban schools have all the bells and whistles, many don't.

FWIW-Go to the "meth belt" (E. OH, W PA IIRC) and you see the same issues as Detroit, LA, etc; except the single parent families are mainly white.
 
Scotth said:
Paul Ryan said it was a culture issue and cited Charles Murphy who tried to argue race influences intelligence.

The people on Maher's show argued they were economically disadvantage with poor schools, hospitals, no jobs in the inner city etc.

Believe what you will but they weren't making the same argument.
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Call it whatever definition you want.....whenever they found out it was MO and not PR....they backpedal'd like you read about!
 
Another story illustrating the false mantra of "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.."

http://www.goupstate.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?p=1&tc=pg&AID=2014140409873

Shortly after Mary West bought health insurance, she realized there was a problem.

For years, the Spartanburg resident was treated by a doctor at Spartanburg Regional Healthcare System.

Now that she has a shiny new health insurance card in her pocket, she will have to find somewhere else to receive care.

“I have to find a different health care provider,” she said. “It's frustrating.”

West, who struggles with diabetes and high blood pressure, was a client at AccessHealth, a non-profit that links lower income patients to affordable options. Through AccessHealth, she was seeing a primary care doctor at Spartanburg Regional.

Then, she bought an insurance plan via healthcare.gov.

She chose Consumers' Choice, one of three insurance providers with plans on the exchange. BlueCross BlueShield (which has two plans) and Coventry, which was acquired by insurance giant Aetna last year, are the other two. Consumers' Choice has sold more plans than any other provider on the marketplace, according to a company spokesperson.

What West learned after she bought insurance caught her by surprise.

“Consumers' Choice (representatives) told me I could go to Regional, but I was going to have to pay out of pocket,” West said.
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Cherniak said Coventry does not have an exclusive arrangement with Spartanburg Regional. Members who buy the CareLink Health Plus plans can obtain care from other doctors or hospitals, but for a cost.

“They will pay higher out-of-pocket costs and receive reduced benefits if they access care from other providers,” he said.

Bailey said the insurance networks (places that accept a certain insurance) are narrow, thin and inadequate.

“As people have gotten insurance and tried to use their insurance, they are understanding that they can no longer go where they used to go. It's not fair at all, and people who buy insurance don't know this going in. Many enrollees in exchange plans already face barriers to care, and now they are finding that locating a new provider for themselves or their families to be yet another barrier.”

Bailey added that this issue should have been anticipated and health plans need to honestly inform enrollees that their local hospital is not in their network.
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If you like your Secretary of Health and Human Services, you can keep your Secretary of Health and...oh..wait...


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...lius-resigning-after-botched-obamacar/?page=1

Beleaguered Health and Human Sevices Secretary Kathleen Sebelius is resigning, a White House official confirmed.
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While Mr. Obama insisted he was standing by Mrs. Sebelius, he didn’t mention her in the audience during a Rose Garden announcement at the White House last week while touting the number of Obamacare enrollments. She was seated in front of the president at the time.
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Sooooooooo the site was hacked in July but the breach was not discovered until last week? O_o No worries? Seems legit. :-"

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/216700-report-healthcaregov-was-hacked-in-july

A hacker breached HealthCare.gov in July and uploaded malicious software, apparently intending to use the system in future cyberattacks against other websites. 


The break-in, first reported by The Wall Street Journal, was discovered last week by federal health officials, who said no personal data was taken.

It is the first successful, confirmed hack of the federal health insurance exchange that went through a rocky launch last year.
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That likely is pretty legit, but still quite concerning/troubling for obvious reasons. A successful attack can be very difficult to find and figure out, even if you are actively looking for it. My bet is that the person either did it for kicks/a challenge, or that the article is correct that the person is looking for vulnerabilities across a variety of systems and healthcare.gov fit the attacker's criteria; such a high profile website seems like a strange choice for a place to drop DDoS software.
 
Not at all. It's a system that's known upgraded and also not typically something people would have IP blocked as a standard. The amount of outbound bandwidth that would be available to fire up... let alone any data available for sale after capture? yeahhhhhhhh
 
For sure, but that traffic is monitored - any spike in bandwidth usage significant enough to be worthwhile would be pretty apparent. Plus issues of hiding network traffic on a server that is certainly viewed as a potential victim of DDoS attacks. Also, why bother singling out one server when a small number of pre-existing tools can find and install DDoS software on hundreds of poorly protected servers with the same, or less effort.

Data capture does not seem to be a likely part of this particular attack (test server + DDoS malware, not data-gathering malware), but I definitely agree that it could be part of future attacks - the server, while not used for any personal data/the site itself, still was used for testing code for the site ( http://www.zdnet.com/healthcare-gov-test-server-hacked-7000033336/ ). If the attacker got access to code for parts of the website that are not supposed to be visible that could make it a lot easier to find weak spots in a system.
 
I think I am not reading your point on monitoring correctly, but I don't think it really matters since I think we agree on a lot of this. I certainly agree with you on the importance that since they did it once already, they now have a known way into that system. I also agreed that there is probably more to this, or that there will be more to this in the future - as I said before, a server with any version of the application, testing or otherwise, would be a gold mine for someone researching for future attacks against the application.

All I meant is that there is a lot of cybercrime against randomly chosen targets, and malware systems that just scan around for vulnerable systems - this is certainly less likely, but not something to be ruled out from the investigation either.
 

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