The self identity thread.

[Ooh-Rah]

I find this interesting-

Target cuts outlook as it sees fewer customers in stores

Target Plans To Spend $20M On Expanding Bathrooms

MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — Target plans to spend $20 million to expand bathroom options at all U.S. stores.

The company says it’s heard objections to the transgender policy which would allow customers and employees to use the bathroom of their choice. Instead, Target has decided to expand its use of a third, single-toilet bathroom which can be locked by users.

All customers will be able to use the new bathrooms. Of the 1,800 stores nationwide, only 300 don’t already have the single bathrooms. All but about 25 will have them by the end of the year.

 

[TLDR20]

Target is suffering because of Amazon, and Wal Mart. Before we got Amazon Prime we regularly shopped at Target, now there is almost never a reason to. Almost anything that can be bought at Target can be delivered to my house for free from Amazon. We buy food elsewhere. All big box stores are struggling, bathroom policy or not.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Yeah, she also lost her job and was the subject of an amazing amount of derision. As should be. You cannot appropriate the experiences of another race. She simply did not grow up as a black woman.

Transgendered people do have certain experiences. Often being treated pretty poorly.

Saw this update today. Rachel Dolezal still insists she did nothing wrong | Daily Mail Online

Dolezal told the newspaper that she is currently jobless and feeding her family with food stamps.
Her friend reportedly helped her pay two months worth of rent and she said she expects to be homeless.
Dolezal said she has applied for more than 100 jobs, including a position at the university where she used to teach, but no one will hire her.
The only work she has been offered is reality TV, and porn.

Considering it was mom and dad who dimed her out, I have to imagine there are no touchy-feely Hallmark Moments come May and June.

 

[RackMaster]

I was just reading about her in another article and I was certain there was an inappropriate joke there...

Rachel Dolezal on brink of homelessness, living off food stamps

 

[CDG]

I don't know what she's whining about. Reality TV and porn pay pretty well. Quit living off the taxpayers and get a fucking job.

 

[Sendero]

I thought this might fit here, if not I'll move it.

Transgender allowed to compete using testosterone treatments (AKA PEDs) wins State wrestling championships. I think it's going to be interesting when boys, in the biological sense, realize they can compete and win at high levels as a "girl". Or girls use "transgender" to use PEDs.

Transgender wrestler Mack Beggs of Euless Trinity wins Texas state girls wrestling title

 

[TLDR20]

I thought this might fit here, if not I'll move it.

Transgender allowed to compete using testosterone treatments (AKA PEDs) wins State wrestling championships. I think it's going to be interesting when boys, in the biological sense, realize they can compete and win at high levels as a "girl". Or girls use "transgender" to use PEDs.

Transgender wrestler Mack Beggs of Euless Trinity wins Texas state girls wrestling title

I think you are missing the entire point there. He is biologically female. They made him compete with girls despite him wanting to compete against boys. Boys would have to compete against boys despite taking estrogen therapy. There wouldn't be much of an advantage there...

 

[Ooh-Rah]

. I think it's going to be interesting when boys, in the biological sense, realize they can compete and win at high levels as a "girl". Or girls use "transgender" to use PEDs.

Before I scoff, are you saying, so that they can compete against the other sex and ultimately win more, you believe high school students will declare themselves an opposite sex?

 

[Kraut783]

There is a law suit by one of the girl wrestlers. They are complaining that the "female" wrestler is taking testosterone and other drugs that they would be suspended if they took them.

 

[Totentanz]

There is a law suit by one of the girl wrestlers. They are complaining that the "female" wrestler is taking testosterone and other drugs that they would be suspended if they took them.

Well apparently the easy out to HS PEDs is declaring oneself male...

 

[TLDR20]

There is a law suit by one of the girl wrestlers. They are complaining that the "female" wrestler is taking testosterone and other drugs that they would be suspended if they took them.

The lawsuit is by the parents. The girl is quoted as saying she doesn't care. The boy in question attempted to compete against other boys, but was forced to compete against girls by the state. He wasn't seeking an unfair advantage, it was forced on him.

Texas policy forces transgender teen boy to wrestle against female athletes at state championship

 

[Kraut783]

I'm not saying he is seeking an unfair advantage, but it's happening none the less..... it is a quandary for sure.

 

[Marauder06]

I think you are missing the entire point there. He is biologically female. They made him compete with girls despite him wanting to compete against boys. Boys would have to compete against boys despite taking estrogen therapy. There wouldn't be much of an advantage there...

Biologically female, but juiced up on testosterone. Basically on a regimen of performance-enhancing drugs.

 

[TLDR20]

Biologically female, but juiced up on testosterone. Basically on a regimen of performance-enhancing drugs.

Yeah. So the state should have let him compete against boys like he requested. His testosterone levels were still below the threshold allowed for female competitors.

 

[Sendero]

I think you are missing the entire point there. He is biologically female. They made him compete with girls despite him wanting to compete against boys. Boys would have to compete against boys despite taking estrogen therapy. There wouldn't be much of an advantage there...

Thanks, for your thoughts @TLDR20

She is allowed to compete with an unfair competitive advantage which is illegal to the other competitors. For males transitioning to female, they can say they are, that doesn't mean they have to take estrogen. Not to mention the biological differences in bone structure.

I do agree it's very nuanced and complicated.

 

[Marauder06]

Yeah. So the state should have let him compete against boys like he requested. His testosterone levels were still below the threshold allowed for female competitors.

No, they shouldn't have let her compete at all. The drug regimen imparted unfair competitive advantage. And apparently it worked.

I don't think we should have separate boys and girls sports. Have the teams, and let the best people compete. But if we did that, very, very few girls would be on the teams. We scream about 'equality' but we're still striving for "separate but equal" when it comes to things that advantage females.

 

[Sendero]

Before I scoff, are you saying, so that they can compete against the other sex and ultimately win more, you believe high school students will declare themselves an opposite sex?

@Ooh-Rah - Yes, I am saying that someone will do it at some point. Will it be prevalent, I doubt it. I am saying that a female athlete can use "transgender" as a reason to use PEDs and get away with it.

I do want to repeat, I think that it's complicated.

There is a Standford swimmer who is taking testosterone to swim on the Men's team. She is the worst swimmer on the team and was given a spot because she was transgender.
Switching Teams

Male wants to play Girls HS field hockey:
What to do when a Eureka boy wants to play a 'girls sport'?

HS runner who is biologically male competes against females in HS.
High school runner brings spotlight to Alaska transgender policy

There is a transgender MMA fighter Fallon Fox who fights women.
UFC's Joe Rogan to Transgender MMA Fighter Fallon Fox: 'You're a F***ing Man'

 

[Ooh-Rah]

@Sendero - Thanks for clarifying. The tone of your post would lead someone to believe that you think this will become a widespread "thing" (which it won't) vs. the occasion one-off (which I agree with).

 

[Marauder06]

It shouldn't be a "thing" at all. If biological differences are mutable and gender is an imaginary social construction, then what does that say about separating sporting events by real or perceived gender? We are denying people the ability to competing at the best of their abilities. Many boys would be dominant in "girls" sports, but they're not allowed to play. Some girls could compete on boys' teams, and are allowed to do so. Let anyone who is otherwise physically capable compete in any division of any sport for which they will make the cut.

 

[TLDR20]

No, they shouldn't have let her compete at all. The drug regimen imparted unfair competitive advantage. And apparently it worked.

I don't think we should have separate boys and girls sports. Have the teams, and let the best people compete. But if we did that, very, very few girls would be on the teams. We scream about 'equality' but we're still striving for "separate but equal" when it comes to things that advantage females.

I don't think he would have had an unfair advantage competing against boys.

The difference in my opinion is that his "PED's" were prescribed by a physician to treat a medically recognized condition. Even the NFL allows players to used banned supplements if it is in conjunction with a medically viable treatment.