OIF/OEF Doc? See much combat?
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This man does NOT like Jocko...
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OIF/OEF Doc? See much combat?
ThunderHorse
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So I generally have a line that I don't fuck with, and Tim Kennedy crossed it. I know I've defended him on here and those points stand...but he can go screw himself. He's just parroting bullshit now that he's some hanger onner in the Trump administration.
What's Timmy up to now?
ThunderHorse
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There were a bunch of social posts, but the one cheering on the firing of 80,000 VA employees got me.
Cleaning the VA up doesn't make me sad. Most of the job gains in the last 4 years were in the Federal System, feather bedding is a term that comes to mind.
ThunderHorse
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In October, if the government didn't add jobs there would have been 37,000 job contraction.
Kraut783
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The Pat Tillman incident was mentioned in this thread, thought I would add this for anyone who wants to read it.
(I had to put the link to it here....my file was too large for this site.)
https://www.dodig.mil/reports.html/...he-death-of-corporal-patrick-tillman-us-army/
(I had to put the link to it here....my file was too large for this site.)
https://www.dodig.mil/reports.html/...he-death-of-corporal-patrick-tillman-us-army/
Allow me to translate:
"Over the past few months, I've been saying I never claimed to have valor awards or a purple heart; any attribution of a BSM-V was a civilian misstating my award by assuming a BSM-M was the same as a BSM-V. Recently, both audio and video evidence has been released of me claiming not only that I have a BSM-V, but that I should have received a Silver Star. As there are now (allegedly) efforts to strip me of my Tab, I'll apologize."
"Unintentionally misstated" is a line of complete horseshit. The audio and video are pretty clear.
I've seen the videos and social media posts talking about this, so it will be interesting to follow.
I've seen the videos and social media posts talking about this, so it will be interesting to follow.
The Quartermaster
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If one says a lie so many times, after awhile they start to believe it themselves. Tragic, as that guy has the resume that was already impressive without it.
That's the thing. He was a star on his own, through his legit creds that were completely unimpeachable and very public. Special Forces. Combat vet. MMA star. HUGE public following. And he fucked it all up.
Maybe not; in America, as long as you're famous once, you tend to stay that way. I still remember when DC re-elected a literal crack addict felon as mayor...
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So here's this theory of mine and I may get roasted for it. I recognize PTSD when I see it. Sometimes it is not at first but eventually I catch on. I've seen this before with another, not the lying part, it's the dire desperate need to overcompensate through lying for a day or days that went horribly wrong. Him being super aggressive about may be his subconscious reaction that he is angry with both himself to tell that lie and because of what may have occurred.
James Yeager. Y'all remember him? Ever since he ditch dove he had since tried to hard up on everything, all alpha man. It was a facade, he was having PTSD from that day and the rage he was showing as "Me alpha, you not" in both his classes, social media responses, and on YouTube (a social media extension). His entire persona was to make up for that day by doing what he thought was a way to not get people killed and that drivers dive and not abandon their posts.
I could be wrong though. Thoughts?
Even with PTSD you know right from wrong. No matter his motivation or reason(s), he still knew right from wrong.
Whether he has PTSD or not, some of his claims came after his fame, TV shows, etc.
I think PTSD has become an excuse for any misconduct involving a veteran.
I can see a momentary lapse, or maybe not correcting someone in the moment when they accidently church up your creds. But not a BSM(V) and a Purple Heart. Not "bags of grenades" and all of the other things he talked about in his book that are in dispute. That's... that's something different.
I've mentioned before on the site that a few years back a guy saw the 160th sticker on the back of my Jeep as he was going by my house as part of a holiday parade on West Point. He shouted out "which battalion?" and without thinking I responded, loudly and confidently, "Third!" I wasn't in 3rd battalion, I was in 2nd. 3rd Battalion of the 160th isn't the sexy Night Stalker battalion, 1st was/is. I don't know why I said 3rd. And the only reason I knew I did it was because my wife asked me about it after the parade passed. It was a momentary and insignificant lapse, but it happened. So I get it.
When I was in 5th Group, I had to frequently make polite corrections when people, especially my younger sister, would explain to people that I'm meeting for the first time that I was "Special Forces." No, I'm "in a Special Forces unit, being Special Forces is something different." People not in the know don't understand there's a difference, "um, how can you be in the Special Forces but not be Special Forces?" Sometimes people make you out to be more than you are, I get it. And if you're getting introduced live on TV and someone says "this guy has a Purple Heart" or "BSM(V)" or whatever, maybe you don't feel like you have a chance to correct it on the spot. I like to think that I would, because I don't want the Internet lynch mob coming after me. But it hasn't happened so I don't know for sure.
The BSM vs BSM(V) thing is always interesting. A BSM without a V is just a wartime MSM. I know, because I have four of them. I did a good job downrange, but if I did what I did outside of Iraq and Afghanistan, those would either be impact MSMs or bullet comments on my PCS award. That's just the way it is. But a lot of people outside of the military don't understand that you can get the same(ish) award for merit and for valor, and mostly the only people talking about their BSMs publicly are ones who have (V), the public conflates the two. This happens a lot even at USMA with the underclass cadets; "Wow you have four Bronze Stars, you must have really been in the shit!" No, not really, never been in a firefight, never killed anyone directly, got shot at just enough to earn a CAB. I'm proud of what I did and did a good job, but I also know what I didn't do, which was a lot, and I never want to take away from the people who did do valorous-type things (many of which weren't recognized in the way they should have been, if at all) by claiming credit for things I didn't do. I'm comfortable with who I am and what I did. It's too bad when vets go the way that Tim Kennedy now admits to doing.
*Allegedly* There was(is) a pending Revocation Board Inquiry being scheduled, and his legal counsel reached out to USASOC yesterday, before this was posted.
Saw a clip of Brent Tucker, the anti-hero podcast guy who started this whole thing, saying he thinks Tim wanted to be seen as a hero/super soldier, but never got the chance before he left for the Guard. He didnt do another combat deployment while in the NG, so he never got the chance to "earn" his hero story.
It's too bad when someone's ego won't allow them to be satisfied with what they actually did, especially when it's already so much.
But as you know Guard guys could augment other Guard or Active teams. Either Tim didn't request to augment a team or was somehow turned down.
ThunderHorse
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I read it, at this point I don't care. If he is being held accountable today for misstatements that he made. Where he the accountability for the Army and USASOC that used him for the dog and pony show for recruiting? They were a part of this. So all of a sudden USASOC be mad, but guess what, there are plenty of other SF influencers that go around doing nonsense.
However, it gets back to @Box talking about standards. Big Boy Rules is what SOF gets to play by (which as @amlove21 says, is just poor leadership), they get to walk around out of regs, for no reason at all. But hey, we skewer regular SPC4s for random nonsense that is just a normal hour in SF.
I've been done with the separate standards for SOF units for a long time. You shouldn't get more leeway, you should get less. They talk about being a higher standard yada yada...but seeing what happens when you have a tab or were in regiment vs what happens when Soldiers aren't is pretty annoying.
ETA: The reality of today is, people going after him, Marcus, Jocko, etc. They're not doing this for the accountability, they're not altruistic in any sense. They're peanut butter and jealous.
However, it gets back to @Box talking about standards. Big Boy Rules is what SOF gets to play by (which as @amlove21 says, is just poor leadership), they get to walk around out of regs, for no reason at all. But hey, we skewer regular SPC4s for random nonsense that is just a normal hour in SF.
I've been done with the separate standards for SOF units for a long time. You shouldn't get more leeway, you should get less. They talk about being a higher standard yada yada...but seeing what happens when you have a tab or were in regiment vs what happens when Soldiers aren't is pretty annoying.
ETA: The reality of today is, people going after him, Marcus, Jocko, etc. They're not doing this for the accountability, they're not altruistic in any sense. They're peanut butter and jealous.
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