Trump & Mexico

[AWP]

If they can somehow make it into this country and live productive lives, so be it. If they are caught at any point in the process, big boy rules apply and I don't think they have a leg to stand on when given a ticket back to their "HOR." They broke the law and we shouldn't give them a pass because life at home is bad. "Pay your money and take your chances."

 

[TLDR20]

If they can somehow make it into this country and live productive lives, so be it. If they are caught at any point in the process, big boy rules apply and I don't think they have a leg to stand on when given a ticket back to their "HOR." They broke the law and we shouldn't give them a pass because life at home is bad. "Pay your money and take your chances."

I agree here. I think once caught they can be deported no problem. I'm not calling for amnesty or anything. I am just pointing out generalizing these people for political gain is not something that should be done. Further attacking these immigrants as Trump did brings attention to the people, rather than the policy problem.

 

[CDG]

I already said my piece on that. If I thought there was a place that offered me and my family a better life I would go. If it wasn't legal and the risk to reward ratio was right I would certainly try. If I could live better as an undocumented immigrant in one place than my home I would take illegal immigrant in a second. Survival is the most important thing, and it may sound harsh, but those people are doing what they need to to survive.

I think a person who is the byproduct of certain policy would more properly be termed refugees, they certainly are economically, and some are certainly fleeing from violence. But we call them illegal immigrants and the law is being broken, I think we should change the laws. To what, I don't know, I'm not an expert on border policy, or international relations.

I agree that they are doing what they need to do to survive. However, this does not absolve them of the fact they knowingly commit a crime by not following the legal immigration process. I further agree that we need to change the process. It's prohibitively long, expensive, and bureaucratic. But until we do change that process, or put in some sort of interim process for the refugee immigrant, those who are here illegally are still criminals. IMHO, the fixing of the process starts with the swift and harsh crackdown on those who are here illegally and commit crimes, especially violent ones. The message needs to be sent that if you are here for the wrong reasons, you will be dealt with harshly. I think that for those who are here illegally and commit violent crimes, they should not be afforded access to the same level of legal process as citizens. Start executing the rapists and murderers and a strong message is sent. The next step is to put some sort of "work for citizenship" program in place for those coming from countries where getting a work visa is a much less viable option than sneaking across the border and then trying to pick up jobs by hanging out in a Home Depot parking lot.

 

[SpitfireV]

No legal process? Are you mad?

 

[policemedic]

No legal process? Are you mad?

I understood his meaning as a lesser level of due process for people who aren't supposed to be in the country at all, not an absence of legal process.

Given the way some states treat illegals e.g. California, it's an interesting point of discussion.

 

[policemedic]

Speaking of California, they are part of the policy issue that @TLDR20 highlights.

 

[Totentanz]

I understood his meaning as a lesser level of due process for people who aren't supposed to be in the country at all, not an absence of legal process.

Given the way some states treat illegals e.g. California, it's an interesting point of discussion.

Agreed. My own viewpoints aside, I read his post to mean "reduced", not "nonexistent".

 

[CDG]

No legal process? Are you mad?

Not what I said. I said, specifically, "should not be afforded access to the same level of legal process". I believe this is perfectly reasonable for illegal immigrants who commit violent crimes.

 

[Ranger Psych]

No legal process? Are you mad?

If you're already here illegally, and commit another crime? It should be a compounding effect applied towards setencing. Possibly involving trebuchets to fling you towards your country of origin from the borders.

 

[AWP]

The legal process for those illegally in our country should look like a mass cal triage. I also question if caught, while their case is reviewed, should they be allowed to leave US custody? "They're on to me, time to move."

 

[pardus]

There is already a reduced level of rights for immigrants. Pres Bush (W) removed the right of Habeas Corpus for immigrants. (full disclosure, I'm not sure if that was revoked later on).
The immigration system in this country is fucked, and the problem lies fairly and squarely at the feet of generations of politicians. An overhaul of the system is badly and urgently needed.
Just like a COIN situation, the political situation needs to be addressed after the security situation is stabilized. That means securing the border first. I have no problem with the concept of relaxed/modified process of legalizing the illegals, providing it was done correctly. What is correct? That is a question that could take years to answer, but I will bet cash money, it is decided in weeks/months when people with an agenda tackle it, and we "will have to vote it in to see what it says".
My immediate thoughts are registration, work permit, taxation.

 

[AWP]

Is taco Thursday a thing? Or no.

No. Tuesday. You're thinking of Man Love which is the opposite of any taco.

 

[Brill]

No. Tuesday. You're thinking of Man Love which is the opposite of any taco.

Tell that to Cait.

 

[JBS]

Best post of the thread!

Monty Pythonesque.

If you're already here illegally, and commit another crime? It should be a compounding effect applied towards setencing. Possibly involving trebuchets to fling you towards your country of origin from the borders.