Yeah you've dealt with them guess what I grew up with a lot of people who run in gangs so Ive dealt with them too so I'd know trust me . Also what's going on with the immigration debate not new so yes I back tracked to the 19th and early 20th century.
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What has this got to do with anything? The 19th and 20th century immigrants were LEGAL. They went through due legal process to enter this country the right way.
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Or you could just start with ILLEGAL immigration (axiomatically) being a crime, itself. Autocorrelation = 1.
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You don't know what you're posting about.
Mexican Mafia is an international criminal organization, and their business of drug and sex trafficking is nation wide, but their major claim to fame is controlling the I35 and I10 corridor's that intersect in San Antonio TX.
MS13, although rooted in El Salvador, is a Latin street gang that is prolific throughout major cities in the USA.
But anyway, the idea that you can somewhat suggest that illegal immigrants who are breaking the law by being present inside the boarders of the USA. Well its simply dumb, its a crime period, hints the word criminal. As for some are okay and some are not, it doesn't matter as long as they are actively engaged in criminal behavior (being here illegally by breaking our current national immigration laws).
As for my opinion on Trump and his comments. I think he purposely used inflammatory language to drum up attention and successfully get everyone talking about him. I would say it worked quite well... You do not get to his level of wealth by making mistakes...
Do Illegals make up 37% of our population.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...y-37-percent-of-federal-sentences-in-fy-2014/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...y-37-percent-of-federal-sentences-in-fy-2014/
The numbers are shocking, yes, but there's a very important sentence in there:
Here is the USSC report: http://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/f...ng-updates/USSC-2014-4th-Quarterly-Report.pdf
Look on page 47.
If we are talking about rates of violent crime in America, and illegal immigrant involvement in them, then I think it's important to reconsider those numbers. As the quote says, the statistics list 20,333 instances of felony immigration violation (meaning getting caught at least twice) perpetrated by illegal immigrants. Naturally, some of those offenses are going to be the ONLY offense for which the illegal immigrant was charged. We should disregard those numbers. Even though the table lists it as the "Primary offense category", we can probably assume that there are some with multiple felonies during that time period. Regardless of that, the "37%" figure doesn't hold as much weight.
Don't get me wrong: illegal immigration is a crime. I don't dispute that at all. But since we are talking about illegal immigration and its effect on violent crime, which I argue does not cover simple immigration violations, it's not very relevant.
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In other words, you've realized your position is illogical and untenable and now wish to exit the debate.
No I have my opinions and you guys have yours so it is best to leave at that before I step on some toes if I haven't already also this argument could go on along time so it 's just best to end .
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What part of their argument is opinion based?
An illegal immigrant is a criminal, whether they commit any additional crimes or not.
You can do that, but it won't change anything. The thread will exist and people will continue to make their points. The only question is will you continue to participate.
I'm not calling you out or taking a side, just stating things as a member of the staff.
Back to the thread.
At the risk of being labeled an asshole by....well, everyone, the argument's moot. All of them. This boils down to one simple question.
Are we enforcing our existing laws, in the "high 9's" or even close? Until we do that our stats are worthless. Jobs, terrorism, human rights, Trump, a wall, aerostats, this JTF or that JTF, nerve gas....whatever you want to say, none of the stats or arguments matter until we're enforcing what exists. Once we do that we can move forward, but until then this is all mental and emotional masturbation.
Are we enforcing our existing laws, in the "high 9's" or even close? Until we do that our stats are worthless. Jobs, terrorism, human rights, Trump, a wall, aerostats, this JTF or that JTF, nerve gas....whatever you want to say, none of the stats or arguments matter until we're enforcing what exists. Once we do that we can move forward, but until then this is all mental and emotional masturbation.
Well shit you get called out for your bullshit...and all the sudden I have to agree to disagree.
How about, admit your wrong and have no idea of the current immigration problem (not only b/c your unaware of the full extent of the problem, but also b/c you're still a teenager) but most of all because your argument is full on weak.
Outside of that, reality is I have no problem with fixing the immigration problem and allow somewhat of a "get right by paying a fine or submitting paperwork, etc. But gosh darn call it what it is in its present state.
Since this topic got you chiming in, what really gets my gander is the fact you have aspirations about getting into Law Enforcement at some point.
And based on your posts, my guess is you will pick and choose WHICH laws you agree with and those that you don't.
Do yourself a favor and the public as well. Maintain your stance, stick to your principles, and stay as far away from LE as possible.
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Red-Dot
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Dude. This country, in a great number, was founded by "immigrants" who were actually indentured servants who PAID back their passage fare by actually working on farms, plantations etc. In NO way can you compare those folks to what is coming across our borders now.
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