Trump & Mexico
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To be honest, yes I did miss that. But after contemplating it, I draw a different conclusion than you do about it, and slightly different from @racing_kitty . It looks to me like more of a smart-ass/snide remark, betraying his disgust with the whole topic. He's begrudgingly acknowledging what we know- that plenty of "good" people are coming in, but that doesn't make the broken/porous border somehow "o.k.".
Considering how many hundreds of different business lines he has, that's really nothing. Right now he has more than $400 million cash in the bank personally, and owns over 30 million square feet of New York real estate. He's figured out on his TV show (The Apprentice) how to get companies to pay him to have their products showcased. In the same show, he also leverages B-grade TV stars to compete for charity events, and then he sold the show to NBC. In other words, he gets charitable tax write offs, makes friends across the charity spectrum, has the opportunity to re-launch the careers of one or two TV/ movie stars every year, and makes money all at the same time, while building the Trump brand. That's a fucking genius right there.
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That is my understanding. Undocumented/illegal aliens are also preyed upon once they are in the US by all sorts of people. There was a large farming outfit that would pay their workers once a month. About 4 days before payday, INS would get a phone call that there where illegals working there. They would raid and haul them off back to Mexico, then INS caught on. Before hauling them off they would run them past payroll. Funny thing those mysterious phone calls ended. I live in agri/forest area. From what I see and I am told most are very hard working, sending their money back to Mexico, living very frugally and avoiding trouble.
I was on the board of directors of a Clinic in a large Hispanic area in Oregon. Never a issue with anyone.
Also Trump stated, that there maybe and he wasn't sure some good people in the mix. Implying that the preponderance where bad people.
I worked LEO in Arizona long ago and my experience is so opposite of Trumps statement. We did have a drug importation operates (air strips) but those people where not Mexicans. We did catch white slavery operations too, again not Mexican. According to the FBI the victims where to be sold in Las Vegas.
Maybe the problem with Trump, he lives too high up in his castle to see the world at ground level.
Gang bangers seems to be local born and bred.
Trump does has business skills.
Yes you understand .
Here is another viewpoint:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/06/mexican-elites-secretly-agree-with-trump.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/06/mexican-elites-secretly-agree-with-trump.html
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I made a burrito with salsa picante. Yummy. Me mas comidas Mexicano.
Maybe Turkey tacos this evening with a single malt.
So I read the whole article which doesn't link to the study.
Right away I could see the article (if not the study) was biased, with the typical Left-leaning preoccupation with lancing whatever notion people might have that America is exceptional.
Can't even get past the first sentence without the writer slanting the notion that the United States is filled with opportunity as being false. What's funnier is he's doing so in an article that discusses millions of people who flooded the United States for just such "mythical" opportunities at prosperity.
But the article gets deeper:
No, you pencil-pushing moron, we (Americans) believe illegal immigration increases crime.
HUGE difference.
An FBI crime study also shows heavy illegal alien involvement in criminal activity revealed these statistics:
- 75 percent of those on the most wanted criminals list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
- One quarter of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals, as are more than 40 percent of all inmates in Arizona and 48 percent in New Mexico jails.
- Over 53 percent of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
- 63 percent of cited drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that number, 97 percent are illegal aliens. 66 percent of cited drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66 percent, 98 percent are illegal aliens.[15]
"...illegal alien drunk drivers kill 13 Americans every day — that’s a death toll of 4,745 per year.[4]
It's just silly to think that huge numbers of criminals of all kinds are not coming in along with those merely seeking honest work and a better future. There are tens of thousands of criminals flooding in.
It's just silly to think that huge numbers of criminals of all kinds are not coming in along with those merely seeking honest work and a better future. There are tens of thousands of criminals flooding in.
Me a short time ago.
Texas spends about 17 million a year on illegals, which is more than our budget deficit two years ago.
I could argue that the article of this website http://www.constitutionparty.com/illegal-alien-crime-and-violence-by-the-numbers-were-all-victims/ is also biased and right leaning . Also send me the link to the study or at least give me the year released so could find it .
"Oh yeah? If my source is 'this,' then yours is just as bad because it's 'that,'" is a piss poor debate skill. Also, while you are within your rights to request the link to the study itself, you hardly present yourself as "dignified opposition" when you simply demand it. This is a contentious subject, as are several other topics here on the board, but please demonstrate some professionalism by showing some manners and not letting your temper get away from you. This goes for everyone on this thread.
No correlation between ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and crime?
Well, let's see here.....
You've got the Mexican Mafia, which has a BIG stake at ILLEGAL cross border operations for one. Think drugs, weapons, currency and too much to list here. .
You've got coyotes, feeding off the dreams of those trying to enter the US the WRONG WAY and not only raping those their conveying, but using them as mules as well.
MS-13, Nortenos, Surenos, Nuestra Familia, La Eme, Sinaloa's, Los Zetas.......want me to keep going? First it was primarily CA, now it's nationwide. They are the largest network of gangs in the US. And yes, they shoot people, rob people, traffic people and peddle whatever kind of cash money drug, will line their pockets with benjamins. Use to be LA, Oakland and other places. Now, it could be smalltown, anywhere, America.
And here's a news flash for you: If you think Trump was the first one to address this problem, you need to do some reading, other than the selective stuff that pads your opinions.
The main problem is when you have a leak, you have to shut the water supply off FIRST, before you can make a proper fix. Same thing with our borders. The Mexican Government could give a rats ass and 2 shits when someone heads north, but, they always get their panties in a wad, whenever a gringo goes south, for whatever reason, and the entire government goes ballistic and loses their minds. And here lately, they seem to get all uppity about us wanting to reinforce our dividing line.
As it was said earlier, crossing into the US, from any direction, without doing it properly, is A CRIME and makes you an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, no matter how well intentioned or upstanding their character may be.
And FWIW, I don't particularly like or dislike Trump, but I do like his swagger. At least the man isn't afraid to double down, stick to his beliefs, statements and willing it seems to be one of the few, to go straight for the jugular, and find that elephant in the room and dance with it. At least he doesn't say one thing out of one side of his mouth, and something else comes out of the other side.
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Well to your pint mexican mafia it is a prison gang that started and is still headquartered in california's jails and also Ms-13 is not even mexican it is a street gang started in L.A also La eme is another name for the the mexican mafia. So here's another thing crime and assholes like the ones you mention are not unique to any country or group of people . The american mob or La cosa nostra as it is known there still here , the irish gangs and the chinese triads also why only mexico no one said anything about illegal immigrants from elsewhere also if you want I would be than happy to give you examples and also plenty of equally dangerous gangs here the hells angles ,the vagos , and who can forget the aryan brotherhood among many others . One last thing you are going to tell me that in the influx of immigration in the influx of immigration in the late 19th and early 20th century that everyone had documents really ?
They went through Ellis Island, Angel Island in California, or Galveston and processed through the immigration stations established at each of those locations. That means they followed the laws as they were written at the time and immigrated legally.
Hey Rod........
You're the one who made the statement in your post there was no correlation between ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and crime. And yes, even though I'm not a rocket scientist, I've been around enough to know about the other gang problems. You really going to back track in your DeLorean at 88 mph to the 19th and early 20th century in defense of what's going on today in this country? Puhlease. RK made the point for me as I was writing.
One other thing genius, don't even try to school me in gangs. I've dealt with all kinds, up close and personal for more years than you realize. And what I said sticks. Mexican Gangs are the largest in the US. And YES, THEY ARE A MAJOR PROBLEM and threat to the safety and security of every law abiding citizen in this country.
You're the one who made the statement in your post there was no correlation between ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and crime. And yes, even though I'm not a rocket scientist, I've been around enough to know about the other gang problems. You really going to back track in your DeLorean at 88 mph to the 19th and early 20th century in defense of what's going on today in this country? Puhlease. RK made the point for me as I was writing.
One other thing genius, don't even try to school me in gangs. I've dealt with all kinds, up close and personal for more years than you realize. And what I said sticks. Mexican Gangs are the largest in the US. And YES, THEY ARE A MAJOR PROBLEM and threat to the safety and security of every law abiding citizen in this country.
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