Trump & Mexico

[Rodlfo99]

Why did you say this?[/QUOTE]
With respect to the second response I have unfortunately found that a necessary thing to say over the years so it is a habit of sorts .

 

[pardus]

 

[DA SWO]

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You know your talking to a mexican right . I love this country heck I was raised here all my life came here as an infant but still really ?I am more tan willing to have a civil discussion .

You know you are talking to an American, more red, white, and blue than anything right?

Show me where my statements are wrong?

FWIW- The majority of the illegals coming across right now are Chinese, Pakistani's and other Arabs of unknown origin.

 

[JBS]

Well here's the thing this country was founded on immigration so under that logic then we have always had that problem . If you are saying we need to fix the immigration systemI understand but I will get to the point which is dialog not hate my friend those comments by Trump were hate .

Would you mind showing me where Trump's words demonstrate hate? It's entirely possible that he went off somewhere on television without my noticing. I watch very little TV these days.

My understanding is he made a factual statement that (although factual) offended some people.

If it was rhetorical hate, and you are offended, then you have a right to be. If it was actual facts and you were offended, then I would probably reconsider my position if I were you.

 

[Rodlfo99]

Would you mind showing me where Trump's words demonstrate hate? It's entirely possible that he went off somewhere on television without my noticing. I watch very little TV these days.

My understanding is he made a factual statement that (although factual) offended some people.

If it was rhetorical hate, and you are offended, then you have a right to be. If it was actual facts and you were offended, then I would probably reconsider my position if I were you.

Well let us see he said that mexico sends people who bring drugs , crime and are rapist . The thing is for starters is mexico's government is not sending anyone at all and second yes drug trafficking is a major problem also there is overlap with human smuggling so yes some people are smugglers but it is not that straightforward. The next thing he said is that they bring crime but there have been studies that show no correlation between immigration and crime . Also as far as rapes he sights an article by Fusion which is part of univision which describes the struggle many migrant women go through in which some are raped in mexico by corrupt mexican officials and the smugglers themselves not by other migrants . So yes I am offended but I am fended since it is BS so any questions ?

 

[Rodlfo99]

A quick correction to make things clear the portion ere I say some are smugglers I should also add in criminals and bastards which means nothing since they exist everywhere .

 

[Rodlfo99]

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You know you are talking to an American, more red, white, and blue than anything right?

Show me where my statements are wrong?

FWIW- The majority of the illegals coming across right now are Chinese, Pakistani's and other Arabs of unknown origin.

Well yeah the whole fuck mexico part is what kind of for lack of a better word got me so my comment was a bit too much since you did not mention the mexican people so my mistake and yes the government and mexico is messed up I agree with you there .

 

[DA SWO]

Well let us see he said that mexico sends people who bring drugs , crime and are rapist . The thing is for starters is mexico's government is not sending anyone at all and second yes drug trafficking is a major problem also there is overlap with human smuggling so yes some people are smugglers but it is not that straightforward. The next thing he said is that they bring crime but there have been studies that show no correlation between immigration and crime . Also as far as rapes he sights an article by Fusion which is part of univision which describes the struggle many migrant women go through in which some are raped in mexico by corrupt mexican officials and the smugglers themselves not by other migrants . So yes I am offended but I am fended since it is BS so any questions ?

Gov Mex facilitates the illegals by providing ID's. Remember that train with all the people on it last summer, you're saying no governmental authority could have ordered them off?
Rape sites are common along the TexMex border.
That lady killed in San Francisco over the weekend, do you want me to overlook the killers immigration status?
GovMex brought the drug problem on itself, so you get no sympathy from me.

 

[Rodlfo99]

Gov Mex facilitates the illegals by providing ID's. Remember that train with all the people on it last summer, you're saying no governmental authority could have ordered them off?
Rape sites are common along the TexMex border.
That lady killed in San Francisco over the weekend, do you want me to overlook the killers immigration status?
GovMex brought the drug problem on itself, so you get no sympathy from me.

Ok drug problem it is economics my friend supply and demand people here and in europe want the drugs so cartels supply them and yes deals were made that should never have been made but the american market is the cartels life blood it is what keeps them strong . Also that scandal u.s banks laundering cartel money which they knew it was also shed light on how the us banking system knowingly and or unknowingly helps keep them a float . Also on the rae sites I will find out on that considering it could also be unrelated incidents since a rapist could also be wite and legal as much as a mexican immigrant . Also as far as that poor women is concerned how man serial killers come out of this country and how many murders have been committed by people here my friend ? So that means what all that proves is a criminal could be from anywhere he could have been a recently paroled white guy for Atlanta although not in this case.

 

[Rodlfo99]

One last thing read up on human trafficking I think it would be enlightening.

 

[Dienekes]

First, illegal immigrants break the laws of the nation they are going to, and basically spit in the face of everyone that went through the ridiculously long and arduous process to legally become citizens. What a great way to start off your journey into another country.

Second, there probably is no correlation between immigration and crime because the study probably uses legal immigration as its base. I'm assuming here, but I would love to be proven wrong so please post the study as I would like to see it. Illegal immigration is a huge security concern because you have no idea who you are letting into the country. I can say pretty confidently based on common sense that illegal immigrants are much more likely to be criminals than the people who go through the difficult process to immigrate legally. Not that all are criminals, obviously(other than the whole illegal immigrant thing).

Illegal immigration is bad for any country all the way around, but legal immigration is a great thing. It has been discussed very well on other threads in this forum.

https://shadowspear.com/vb/threads/immigration.19724/page-2

 

[Rodlfo99]

First, illegal immigrants break the laws of the nation they are going to, and basically spit in the face of everyone that went through the ridiculously long and arduous process to legally become citizens. What a great way to start off your journey into another country.

Second, there probably is no correlation between immigration and crime because the study probably uses legal immigration as its base. I'm assuming here, but I would love to be proven wrong so please post the study as I would like to see it. Illegal immigration is a huge security concern because you have no idea who you are letting into the country. I can say pretty confidently based on common sense that illegal immigrants are much more likely to be criminals than the people who go through the difficult process to immigrate legally. Not that all are criminals, obviously(other than the whole illegal immigrant thing).

Illegal immigration is bad for any country all the way around, but legal immigration is a great thing. It has been discussed very well on other threads in this forum.

https://shadowspear.com/vb/threads/immigration.19724/page-2

Study is from Northwestern university and the point I tried to make in all of thi is that Trumps comments were very offensive , ignorant and founde in complete nonsense and frankly Trump getting to the white house even the thought scares me and he should not be president .

 

[Rodlfo99]

It should be in all of this not in all of thi.

 

[Salt USMC]

Would you mind showing me where Trump's words demonstrate hate? It's entirely possible that he went off somewhere on television without my noticing. I watch very little TV these days.

Did you miss this?

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best,” he said. “They’re sending people that have a lot of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

How could that be construed as anything BUT hate?

It should also be noted that Donald Trump has declared bankruptcy four separate times. "Brilliant businessman" might be a bit of a stretch.

 

[racing_kitty]

Did you miss this?

How could that be construed as anything BUT hate?

Sounds like someone who didn't have a statistic in front of him making a lazy argument, if you ask me. Is this hate? From the Boston Globe (hardly the voice of Storm Front), reporting on a failure to deport sex offenders:

They are convicted rapists, child molesters, and kidnappers — among “the worst of the worst,” as one law enforcement agency put it. Yet the Globe found that immigration officials have released them without making sure they register with local authorities as sex offenders.

And once US Immigration and Customs Enforcement frees them, agency officials often lose track of the criminals, despite outstanding deportation orders against them. The Globe determined that Hernandez Carrera and several other offenders had failed to register as sex offenders, a crime. By law, police are supposed to investigate if such offenders fail to update their address within days of their release. But local officials said they did not learn that ICE had released the offenders until after the Globe inquired about their cases.

Not a large quantity if you actually read the whole article, so the generalization imparted by the use of the word "some" would also fit here.

And let's not forget Francisco Sanchez, who was deported five times and still managed to kill someone in San Francisco, or Juan Francisco De Luna Vasquez, who was deported four times before he killed his wife in Laredo.

As much as it leaves a taste in my mouth to say anything good about him, the Donald could have made a damned convincing argument about the number of violent criminals coming across the border simply with the statistics available from ICE and local law enforcement. He'd still be accused of being a hatemonger. This strikes me as more intellectual laziness than anything else. Then again, he may realize that Americans are pretty fucking stupid nowadays.

 

[x SF med]

You know your talking to a mexican right . I love this country heck I was raised here all my life came here as an infant but still really ?I am more tan willing to have a civil discussion .

If you consider yourself a Mexican, and hold US citizenship, a passport, GTFO. If you meant that you consider yourself an American of Mexican decent, that's another thing.

You do realize the 'undocumented' (read illegal) Mexican immigrants get more Government services per capita than Natural born American Citizens - citizens who keep the money here in the US instead of sending a large portion of Welfare and untaxed under the table wages to a foreign country, right?

Not one of the people on this board are against legal immigration, but illegal economic assault sanctioned by the government of a neighbor that decries we are racist and unfair, because we want to halt the flow of that neighbors unwanted into our workforce, and draining our economy by not paying taxes, getting government subsidies, stealing identities and sending the majority of those ill gotten gains to their country of birth; all the while making it difficult to cross the border into said country, unless you have a pile of money to spend on bribes and resorts - this does not sound like a reason for US citizens to take umbrage at the Mexi-fication of our country?

Read your Mao, Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, Guevarra, Castro, Pinochet and Alinsky - overload of a government's capability is the first step in the takeover of that country.

Sorry kid, you are arguing with the wrong bunch of people if you think we're going to get overwhelmed by a sympathy call, especially when our southern 'neighbor' is asking us to do that which they are unwilling and economically incapable...

 

[Ranger Psych]

Anyone who crosses the border ILLEGALLY IS A CRIMINAL BY PURE DEFINITION.

All the other terminology other than Illegal Immigrant (undocumented, bla bla bla) is literally lipsticking a pig and ignoring the factual issue of people daily breaking our nations federal laws by just bebopping across, nevermind the cottage industry IN mexico that assists facilitation therein.

 

[DA SWO]

Ok drug problem it is economics my friend supply and demand people here and in europe want the drugs so cartels supply them and yes deals were made that should never have been made but the american market is the cartels life blood it is what keeps them strong . Also that scandal u.s banks laundering cartel money which they knew it was also shed light on how the us banking system knowingly and or unknowingly helps keep them a float . Also on the rae sites I will find out on that considering it could also be unrelated incidents since a rapist could also be wite and legal as much as a mexican immigrant . Also as far as that poor women is concerned how man serial killers come out of this country and how many murders have been committed by people here my friend ? So that means what all that proves is a criminal could be from anywhere he could have been a recently paroled white guy for Atlanta although not in this case.

I love the Gov Mex stand that it's our fault for using drugs.
I'll agree with your point, but don't bitch cry and whine over firearms; because I will throw your supply and demand justification back at you.
Firearms wouldn't be flowing into Mexico if Mexicans didn't want them.
See how it works?
The Southern half of Texas deals with illegal immigration and the gang bangers (aka coyotes) on a daily basis.
Ranchers on the border can't have anything of value because the "good" people coming across the border steal everything in sight, to include kicking doors in if they feel like it.
Again, have you looked at Mexico's immigration policies? You need to open your eyes a little bit.
Be proud of your heritage (understanding Mexican=1/2 European).

 

[Diamondback 2/2]

I feel dumber having read this thread...

 

[JBS]

Well let us see he said that mexico sends people who bring drugs , crime and are rapist . The thing is for starters is mexico's government is not sending anyone at all and second yes drug trafficking is a major problem also there is overlap with human smuggling so yes some people are smugglers but it is not that straightforward.

OK. I'm listening. How is it "not that straightforward"? Seems to me like you agree drug and human smugglers and other criminals are coming in from Mexico. Isn't this what Trump said?

The next thing he said is that they bring crime but there have been studies that show no correlation between immigration and crime .

I think this is not true. If I am wrong, please post a link to this study because it seems silly.

Also as far as rapes he sights an article by Fusion which is part of univision which describes the struggle many migrant women go through in which some are raped in mexico by corrupt mexican officials and the smugglers themselves not by other migrants .

This might be true, but there are plenty of American women being raped by illegal immigrants across the Southwestern United States. Should I ignore those things?