Ukraine - Russia Conflict

 
TLDR20 said:
Right, but that is happening occasionally and recently. It did not happen at the outset of the invasion.
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Some did, according to what I've read (see 2nd article above). There may not have been a nationwide outage, but the Southern and Eastern parts were reportedly hit hard early. However, with help, Ukraine seems to be mitigating these outages.

It may be a matter of semantics but while cyberattacks/malware haven't necessarily been effective, apparently the other disruptions essentially result in the same effect and the need for alternate service provider, such as Starlink.
 
Blizzard said:
Some did, according to what I've read (see 2nd article above). There may not have been a nationwide outage, but the Southern and Eastern parts were reportedly hit hard early. However, with help, Ukraine seems to be mitigating these outages.

It may be a matter of semantics but while cyberattacks/malware haven't necessarily been effective, apparently the other disruptions essentially result in the same effect and the need for alternate service provider, such as Starlink.
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I get that. Your point is salient and accurate.

But the post that I responded to was nonsense.
 
AWP said:
Germany will remain afraid of WWII until the end of time. Nations still allow events from 200, 500, 1000 years ago to influence modern actions. Hitler will still drive Germany 1000 years from now, just not quite how he envisioned.
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Germany is built on prosperity and welfare. Living on and used to cheap gas and oil from Russia. It's been a comfort for decades and nobody thought it would be necessary to search for alternatives. Nobody wanted to be bothered about the future, possible conflicts beyond sabre rattling, and contingencies. Only now it's dawning, that mistakes were made. Not when otherwise, you know totaly reliable Russia ..., often used Ukraine as economic leverage, whenever Germany supported anything they didn't agree with. Which happened long before this conflict.
The "but WWII" narratives, quasi appeasement policy of delays and bread crumb deliveries, happen first and foremost, to enure contineous trade with Russia. That's why the government and other elements act that way. They, but also the people, are afraid to lose the affluence, trade with Russia had guaranteed thus far, and be forced to freeze their asses off in winter.
Despite such fears, the majority here still supports Ukraine and a lot of if not most (military) experts call the gov out, on their excuses and behaviour.
 
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It's not so easy as decision maker, when trapped between "Germany before everything else" and what's morally the right thing to do. Because I don't think we are bluffing, when dramaticaly increasing military spendings and capabilities in response to Russias invasion. It's happening and we also support the sanctions, send aid and arms. Despite being so dependent on them economicaly. So are they. We just have more to lose. But all these decisions, including the ( serious ) search for alternatives now, should have been made a long, LONG time ago ...
 
So Biden calls accuses Saudi Arabia of being pro-Russian because they cut oil supplies, disregarding the facts they have pledged $400m in aid to Ukraine.

They respond to Biden’s accusations with threats, reminding him they are founded on jihad and martyrdom.

Saudi prince sends threat to the West after Biden warns of consequences for kingdom | Fox News

Despite your opinion on Saudi Arabia, you can’t just automatically accuse your political opponents of being pro-Russian. As we have discussed previously in this thread.
 
The Saudis must be a whole lot less worried about Iran and what's happening in Yemen (although the two are very closely related) right now than they were a couple of months ago.

That, and/or they perceive the US as considerably weaker than they were a couple of years ago, and expect that to continue for another couple of years.
 
Marauder06 said:
The Saudis must be a whole lot less worried about Iran and what's happening in Yemen (although the two are very closely related) right now than they were a couple of months ago.

That, and/or they perceive the US as considerably weaker than they were a couple of years ago, and expect that to continue for another couple of years.
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I think that is an "and" and not an "or". Iran is still a threat to them, and Yemen is a major issue; and given our economy and "go green at all costs" they see us as about as weak as we have been in many years, with at least two more years of it to go.
 
I'd just like to take this opportunity to say, fuck the Saudis. Also, fuck the Pakistanis and Turks. That is all.
 
JedisonsDad said:
So Biden calls accuses Saudi Arabia of being pro-Russian because they cut oil supplies, disregarding the facts they have pledged $400m in aid to Ukraine.

They respond to Biden’s accusations with threats, reminding him they are founded on jihad and martyrdom.

Saudi prince sends threat to the West after Biden warns of consequences for kingdom | Fox News

Despite your opinion on Saudi Arabia, you can’t just automatically accuse your political opponents of being pro-Russian. As we have discussed previously in this thread.
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That's a prince speaking not necessarily the Saudi government. There are 100s if not thousands of princes 99% of them mean nothing.
 
JedisonsDad said:
So Biden calls accuses Saudi Arabia of being pro-Russian because they cut oil supplies, disregarding the facts they have pledged $400m in aid to Ukraine.

They respond to Biden’s accusations with threats, reminding him they are founded on jihad and martyrdom.

Saudi prince sends threat to the West after Biden warns of consequences for kingdom | Fox News

Despite your opinion on Saudi Arabia, you can’t just automatically accuse your political opponents of being pro-Russian. As we have discussed previously in this thread.
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Sometimes we just need to shut our face hole.
 
Wonder how effective this really is:
New app lets civilians help shoot down drones and missiles in Ukraine

How are they reconciling the delivery of false data (read: DoS type attack) - whether intentional or otherwise?

This conflict is particularly interesting given the apparent abundance of innovative modifications to "off the shelf" consumer products to defeat military systems and hardware. Now, add civilian phone apps to the air defense net.

BTW, this is not to suggest Ukraine would be performing as well without some of the advanced weapons systems provided by the West.
 

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