Ukraine - Russia Conflict

I was unfair and harsh with you and I apologize for that, it was undeserved.
I am also not advocating for an endless cash flow into Ukraine. If we pump weapons, money etc... into Ukraine right now and in large quantity, it will have a huge effect on the outcome of the war, it will end favorably for the free world and it will end a lot quicker, meaning less death on all sides, and making it cheaper in the long run. We need to show some balls, sanction Russia totally, and really give Ukraine what it needs, this war could've been over this year had we done so, the trade and goodwill generated would offset the costs too.

Great post. There is a lot more at stake here than Ukraine, while the doing the right thing justification would be enough, we have to think wider and see how this affects the world, and in particular our enemies/potential enemies. The debacle of leaving Afghanistan was a huge sign to the rest of the world that we are weak and incompetent, Putin was undoubtedly emboldened by that, and who could blame him? If we had stood back, wrung our hands and doing nothing in Ukraine, Taiwan would probably be in a much worse position right now.


To be clear I mean the the hard core of the conservatives, not conservatives in general, it's always the extremes of any party/movement that are the assholes and the noise makers. With the media overwhelmingly backing the left and the extreme left I understand why the conservatives are defensive.
I don't want to speculate about elections or Zelenski because I simply don't know. Yeah it was the perfect storm with the points you made about Putin, Ukraine, NATO etc...
Germany fucked up bigtime, I think largely because of that bitch Merkel, I hope they see that now and will act accordingly in future, the EU wasn't much better, and Hungary can suck my balls.
There hasn't been a lot of money sent to Ukraine as far as I know, it's mostly equipment which is being remade here and keeping our arms industry moving.
What do you mean accounted for with the aid, we hand it to the govt, do you think we should be asking for unit hand-receipts? It just doesn't work that way, never has never will. The US military writes off most of the equipment that we deploy with ourselves. That said I do know there are plans being formulated for independent escorts of weapons to military depots.
Regarding aid accountability, I'm thinking digital and physical records of where stuff, supplies, and money went. That way, when this war is over, we can take accounts of material expenditure and see how much was misappropriated. Reason for this isn't entirely fiscal either, I'm worried about our weapons showing up in ME brushfire wars after Russia is pacified.

Plus, with Ukraine's agricultural base destroyed, I get the feeling they're gonna be a food importer next year. Given that food and energy are about to become more difficult to manage, we're gonna have to figure out a way to meet Ukraine's and other allied nation's calorie needs, without stressing our agricultural base.
 
“Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man.” -Some WWII guy

Obstacles for a defense in depth are still doctrine. Just thought it was interesting that they were building an entire defensive line. However, as seen by the Crimea Bridge the Russians are very good at building things out of concrete. After that the competence falls off a cliff.
 
I was unfair and harsh with you and I apologize for that, it was undeserved.

No worries. This is a contentious subject with a lot of emotion and you are living between the ditches. I appreciate and value your input, and I like a healthy dialogue.

I try to avoid Ukrainian claims due to possible/probable bias, but this brings up an interesting point. You don’t often see or hear of Russians helping their wounded very much, they obviously do but not like the Ukrainians or other western militaries do.
It's interesting to see how this war is effecting the US military medical thinking too, one of the last schools I went to in the US Army was DECM, Delayed Evacuation Casualty Management, Prolonged Field Care in other words, basically the ability for a medic to sit on a patient with multiple amputations etc... for days, instead of minutes, I'm sure @TLDR20 knows exactly what I'm talking about. Now due to the prevalence of drones with thermal equipped cameras and munitions, and the large thermal signatures from medical equipment needed to perform PFC, it is now unsafe and unwise to attempt this in a near peer/conventional conflict, focus is going back to basic TCCC and immediate evacuation by any means possible, when just a couple of years ago we were doing PFC because we didn't think we'd have the ability to evac by air, so we just said, they have to wait... Now there is a push for UAV medevac and the Ukrainians have mastered the use of casevac to get their people to a hospital ASAP (they don't have aid stations and field hospitals to speak of). All very interesting.


DECM/PFC is being written in doctrine now (actually, post tense, it has been). The Navy has been kinda, sorta on the forefront (aside from SOCOM) given their (and USMC) pivot to the Pacific theater, but expect it to spread more.
 
No worries. This is a contentious subject with a lot of emotion and you are living between the ditches. I appreciate and value your input, and I like a healthy dialogue.



DECM/PFC is being written in doctrine now (actually, post tense, it has been). The Navy has been kinda, sorta on the forefront (aside from SOCOM) given their (and USMC) pivot to the Pacific theater, but expect it to spread more.
The Pacific will bring it's own problems, particularly if we get into island warfare. I'd be interested to see if the Navy has been thinking about Ukraine with regards to it's path going forward, I'm sure they have, doctrine takes a lot longer to catch up with practical methods on the ground, and this problem is just being worked through right now and has no solutions yet, least none that i'm aware of right now.
 
Very interesting. One thing I can say, is that if an NGO or individuals needed any help for Ukraine that Germany was said to be the place to go, as the German people were stepping up big time to make up for the real or perceived lack of German govt support for Ukraine.
Zeihan doesn't mention Nordstream 1, which IIRC the Russians have recently offered to turn back on for Germany (presumably if they play nice).

 
Very interesting. One thing I can say, is that if an NGO or individuals needed any help for Ukraine that Germany was said to be the place to go, as the German people were stepping up big time to make up for the real or perceived lack of German govt support for Ukraine.
Zeihan doesn't mention Nordstream 1, which IIRC the Russians have recently offered to turn back on for Germany (presumably if they play nice).


This is a bit disingenuous by the guy in the video. Cutting off NS1 didn’t just impact Germany, but all of Europe. The Germans tried (and failed) to be like Italy in WW2. By that I mean when victory for Russia seemed to be likely Germany sided with Russia. When the Ukrainians got to punching, then all of a sudden they sided with the west. Now, there’s more to it then just that, but Germany didn’t want any thing to do with helping Ukraine until after they already made their bed with Russia and realized they were shitty in it.
 
This is a bit disingenuous by the guy in the video. Cutting off NS1 didn’t just impact Germany, but all of Europe. The Germans tried (and failed) to be like Italy in WW2. By that I mean when victory for Russia seemed to be likely Germany sided with Russia. When the Ukrainians got to punching, then all of a sudden they sided with the west. Now, there’s more to it then just that, but Germany didn’t want any thing to do with helping Ukraine until after they already made their bed with Russia and realized they were shitty in it.
Good point, though Nordstream only went to Germany, the other European countries are fed by different pipelines. He also failed to Mention that Trump offered Germany gas from North America but Merkel turned him down in favour of Russia, a strategic mistake at best (I wouldn't mind betting that she has been on a Russian payroll at some point in her life).
 
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Can't express how dissapointed I am in the German govs behaviour. Not just in regards to Ukraine, but the last 20 years of neglect in so many areas, including defense and sourcing. Be it whatever, but especialy in search for alternatives to Russia. The reason I usualy shut my mouth about it, is because I'm not the one who has to make those decisions and bear such responsibility. It's easy to be an armchair president. But this is really rough to look at and remain silent. Especialy because of the consequences.
 
Can't express how dissapointed I am in the German govs behaviour. Not just in regards to Ukraine, but the last 20 years of neglect in so many areas, including defense and sourcing. Be it whatever, but especialy in search for alternatives to Russia. The reason I usualy shut my mouth about it, is because I'm not the one who has to make those decisions and bear such responsibility. It's easy to be an armchair president. But this has been really rough to look at and remain silent.
Germany will remain afraid of WWII until the end of time. Nations still allow events from 200, 500, 1000 years ago to influence modern actions. Hitler will still drive Germany 1000 years from now, just not quite how he envisioned.
 
It is a pretty crazy post because none of that happened.

Like none of it. They didn’t destroy Ukraines satcom, internet or phone or cell coverage. Hence why we watched streaming snap chat stories of the invasion. This post was nonsense.

3 reasons Moscow isn't taking down Ukraine's cell networks - POLITICO

We commented on it here when it happened. I could not believe they had reliable internet and cell coverage during the invasion, as if they fought us, that’d be the first to go. Same with electricity honestly.
Politico is wrong, Russia launched a massive cyber attack on the Ukraine during the initial phase, that's why Musk sent Starlink terminals to them.
 
Good point, though Nordstream only went to Germany, the other European countries are fed by different pipelines. He also failed to Mention that Trump offered Germany gas from North America but Merkel turned him down in favour of Russia, a strategic mistake at best (I wouldn't mind betting that she has been on a Russian payroll at some point in her life).
Merkel was a member of the East German Communist Party, so saying she is friendly towards Russia might be an understatement.
 
Politico is wrong, Russia launched a massive cyber attack on the Ukraine during the initial phase, that's why Musk sent Starlink terminals to them.

I mean, their services didn’t go down. So while they may have launched an attack, none of what was posted happened.

Why Hasn’t Russia Unleashed ‘Cybergeddon’ in Its War on Ukraine? | Russia Matters

Ukraine’s Engineers Battle To Keep The Internet Running While Russian Bombs Fall Around Them

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...cyberwar-with-ukraine-before-it-even-invaded/
 
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