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Did you intend to paraphrase Buffalo Springfield? (The lyrics are actually pretty relevant)
Ukraine - Russia Conflict
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Wagner was always what Wagner always was. Hyenas. You can leash hyenas. Feed them, placate them, appease them. But you don’t domesticate hyenas.
From a Sun Tzu perspective and a geopolitical standpoint? This is a development which benefits us as long as Russia doesn’t clack off a nuke in Ukraine. You can either fight a war abroad or a war at home, not both.
From a human perspective? Lololol kidding I lost that part of me long ago. The only tragedy here is the rank and file Russians who have protested this farce since day one paying the price in the inevitable crossfire. Mercy on their souls.
From a realistic standpoint; if we believe the internet, and this isn’t wag the dog, and a severely weakened Russia and Putin have to deal with a battle tested force of heavily armed and mechanized regulars that they trained and funded to commit atrocities worldwide while every real hitter Russia have might have might as well be a world away fighting trench to trench on some dumb ‘special military operation’? How many of those dudes watch Rostov burn? How many watch Wagner execute politicians in the streets and leave one asymmetric conflict to go to another?
I am considering buying the next ticket to view the titanic. Seems like the only way out.
From a Sun Tzu perspective and a geopolitical standpoint? This is a development which benefits us as long as Russia doesn’t clack off a nuke in Ukraine. You can either fight a war abroad or a war at home, not both.
From a human perspective? Lololol kidding I lost that part of me long ago. The only tragedy here is the rank and file Russians who have protested this farce since day one paying the price in the inevitable crossfire. Mercy on their souls.
From a realistic standpoint; if we believe the internet, and this isn’t wag the dog, and a severely weakened Russia and Putin have to deal with a battle tested force of heavily armed and mechanized regulars that they trained and funded to commit atrocities worldwide while every real hitter Russia have might have might as well be a world away fighting trench to trench on some dumb ‘special military operation’? How many of those dudes watch Rostov burn? How many watch Wagner execute politicians in the streets and leave one asymmetric conflict to go to another?
I am considering buying the next ticket to view the titanic. Seems like the only way out.
Comments may be wrong according to the WSJ in this case. Russian military is there, but not shooting at the Wagner occupiers.
Wagner Troops Take Over Military Headquarters in Southern Russia as Mutiny Spreads
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I’m seeing tweets that many are supposedly siding with Wagner personally I think this maybe all bs but than againSupposedly, there's a Wagner column in Rostov with Prigozhin. But, the longer this plays out with no real evidence of attacks or bodies, the more this starts to look like some other kind of shitshow...
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And he has apparently fled.
ThunderHorse
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The way I read the ISW thread yesterday is that Prigozhin's "coup" has nothing to do with Putin per se. He's trying to get the MOD leadership replaced. His beef is with Shoigu. And Shoigu seemed to be losing a whole lot of political capital.
But also great meme:
Interesting if true:
But also great meme:
Interesting if true:
This was def just a mater of time imo but I didn't expect it to happen so soon. Wonder how much other actors encouraged anything, if at all.
Putins machine reportedly took off and interestingly also Lukashenkos.
Trivial, but I'm curious how trolls are going to whitewash this critical little event.
Putins machine reportedly took off and interestingly also Lukashenkos.
Trivial, but I'm curious how trolls are going to whitewash this critical little event.
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Blumenthal had 5 draft deferments and then joined USMCR 70-76 which in those days guaranteed you wouldn't go to VN. Fucker was drinking beer and chasing skirts while me and my bros were knee-deep in paddy water. And I'll bet you he had a nice set of dress blues to sport around. We hated Reserve guys back then because they were worse than draft dodgers. They got the honor of wearing the uniform without any of the risk. Rant over.
Yeah, lot such claims coming in. Allegedly only the airforce is resisting them so far. But who knows whats true rn.
Stukiwi
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I think Wagner shot down 3 helicopters strafing their convoy.
Some areas were apperently also shelled. Wagnerites set up fortifications with grenade launchers and mined the roads.
Stukiwi
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Good let the Russians kill each other, I'm not a fan but how many civilians are going to die before Putin offs himself in a bunker in Moscow?
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