Ukraine - Russia Conflict

No matter how SCOTUS votes re: Trump on the ballot on Colorado, half the country--every democrat--will claim it's only because of the six Republican-appointed justices, while the other half will declare it's the rule of law.

Half the country loathes Carlson while the other half loves him. Half think he's a shill who is in bed with Putin, and half thinks he's a solid journalist. But I do think most people on both sides agree that Putin was using him and it was just an exercise in propaganda.
 
Isn't all public media just a tool of the propagandist?

Hell, I always thought that is where the Pulitzer Prize came from - and all this time, its was actually just right wing shills responsible for enabling propagandists.

The argument could be made that any line of questioning that didn't get him shot on camera five minutes into the interview was just Tucker giving PawPaw a propaganda platform.
...now if a leftist had done that interview while Bernie was on his honeymoon in Russia - totally different story

But that's why I didn't watch it - haven't watched - probably won't watch it - and instead chose to binge watch Orange is the New Black on Netflix...

Journalists are all full of shit - Orange is the New Black has nudity.
 
I'm just curious why there seems to be so much reporting on things like this with no tangible signs that Russia is either losing ground or unable to escalate.
Somebody that is being decimated doesn't generally keep moving forward as though nothing is wrong.

If the US started losing ships to Houthi drones, those mother fuckers that refused to get the clotshot vaccine would be called back to active duty so fast their fucking heads would spin - and the O'Biden administration would start launching hellfire missiles at land based targets so fast that even more peoples heads would spin.
Peoples heads would spin so fast that peoples fucking heads would spin...
...fast.
...real fast.
...heads would spin REAL motherfucking fast.
Yet, mother Russia, seems to be taking it all in stride as if these losses are just another day at the office.
Stupid Russians - they don't even realize that they are losing.

Maybe climate change, MAGA Republicans, and right wing conservatism really ARE the number one threat to American democracy.
 
I don’t know how to frame it other than it's the old Soviet viewpoint of warfare. Keep throwing bodies at the battle, regardless the cost.

I don't know if the Soviets are "winning" or "losing" but the reported casualty counts and equipment losses are pretty staggering for a 3-day special military operation.
 
I don’t know how to frame it other than it's the old Soviet viewpoint of warfare. Keep throwing bodies at the battle, regardless the cost.

I don't know if the Soviets are "winning" or "losing" but the reported casualty counts and equipment losses are pretty staggering for a 3-day special military operation.
Ukraine runs out of people before Russia does.
 
It's silly how it works - but throwing bodies at a problem regardless of the cost or outcome isn't exactly something the Russians have a monopoly on...

We did it in Vietnam and Iraq and Afghanistan and I'm sure the hobbits from permanent DC are busy looking for our next goldmine so we can force feed its owners a bunch of corporate democracy.
Sure, the Russians spent 9 years losing in Afghanistan before they went home - but we spent 18 years losing in Afghanistan before we went home, so trying to bail out a sinking ship using a bucket with holes in it seems like the way we all do business these days.

This brings me back to my point - the Russian go-to policy of throwing bodies at the problem until it goes away makes it even harder to understand why they seem to be so willing to keep losing ships without a REAL act of retaliation.
It's almost as if - they are winning and realize that a few warships when balanced against the fact that Ukraine is running out of fighting aged males is a fair trade.

From the BEST western reporting I have seen, the Russians haven't been pushed back in a way that would suggest that Ukraine is "winning" - especially when they still control roughly 20% of Ukraine's territory. When you are subjected to a home invasion that results in the invaders controlling close to 20% of your home, sinking the enemy's bass boat is not a sign that you are winning. It looks more like an act of desperation or at best, something that you would do while fighting an insurgency. One thing is for sure, it doesn't make me think that Ukraine is winning.
Not even a little bit.
Not even at all.

I think that our elected leaders are derelict in their duties by continuing the charade that our billions of dollars in aid money are anything more than campfire fuel unless you are heavily invested in the defense industry - raking in the bucks on the backs of the American taxpayer.

We are being misled and fleeced over a false narrative - but it's cool - in another 5 billion years, the sun will run out of hydrogen and this will all be over.
 
I see it slightly different, @Box.

What we have are two separate ideologies:
One throws bodies at the problem, until they win or there are no bodies left (Soviets).
The other throws money st the problem, until they win or there is no money left (U.S.) -- nevermind that the money appropriated is really part of some elaborate money laundering scheme.

We fought in Afghanistan for 2 decades, and during that time, lost just under 2,000 to hostile action. At the rate the Soviets are losing troops in Ukraine, that's just a slow week. Don't worry, they'll send more.

Also during this same time, the U.S. spent over $2 TRILLION in Afghanistan. That's more than the Soviets nominal GDP! Don't worry, we'll send more.
 
Whether the Ukraine is losing or not, it is their job to kill as many Russians and equipment as possible. Sure, we all know Pootie-Poo isn't ending the war any time soon, if ever, but what would you do in the same situation? (Insert some nation here) holds 20% of the US and our defeat is a given, so we just give up? Fight on, make them bleed, and maybe it shifts in our favor. Surrender and the French use us as a punchline.

Fight in the fields and the streets, fight in the hills, fight on the beaches...
 
Whether the Ukraine is losing or not, it is their job to kill as many Russians and equipment as possible. Sure, we all know Pootie-Poo isn't ending the war any time soon, if ever, but what would you do in the same situation? (Insert some nation here) holds 20% of the US and our defeat is a given, so we just give up? Fight on, make them bleed, and maybe it shifts in our favor. Surrender and the French use us as a punchline.

Fight in the fields and the streets, fight in the hills, fight on the beaches...
To this point, there wasn't even supposed to be much of a fight and this thing was going to.be over in a matter of days. Here we are a couple years and a shit-ton of losses later.
 
What we have are two separate ideologies:
One throws bodies at the problem, until they win or there are no bodies left (Soviets).
The other throws money st the problem, until they win or there is no money left (U.S.) -- nevermind that the money appropriated is really part of some elaborate money laundering scheme.

We fought in Afghanistan for 2 decades, and during that time, lost just under 2,000 to hostile action. At the rate the Soviets are losing troops in Ukraine, that's just a slow week. Don't worry, they'll send more.

Also during this same time, the U.S. spent over $2 TRILLION in Afghanistan. That's more than the Soviets nominal GDP! Don't worry, we'll send more.

I don't disagree at all about the different ideology.
I just prefer to look at things through my shit tinted glasses when it comes to trying to understand why we do the things we do.

Then again, the different ideology is my whole point - the ideologies may seem different on the surface, but it is my humble opinion that the results are the same. In both cases, a super power is throwing their nations resources down the drain at a contrived problem set, regardless (or even in spite of) the end result.

The Russians paint their losses as noble - for the mother land. When needed, they just throw out the evils of capitalism or the threat of Nazi fascism as some lame cover story to justify their land grabs.
American politicians paint their global embezzlement strategy as part of some moral responsibility that ALL Americans must support - for the children - or whatever other "make the world America" bullshit excuse we use to justify the multi-billion dollar money laundering scams that our politicians use to fund other peoples disagreements.

The Russians throw people (blood) - we throw money (treasure) - and Blood and Treasure are certainly part of the same cliché that we all use to describe situations such as these when ego maniacal selected leaders squander their nations blood and treasure in exchange for sound bytes on the nightly news..

The Russians do not think the same as "we" do. They absolutely cultivate their 'Russian Bear' image.
"I will crush you for mother Russia"
...and then they go out and do that shit. If it costs Babushka a few of her sons - so be it - it was a noble sacrifice to stem the tide of fascism and capitalism into the mother land.

America just waves the banner of "save the poor children of /insert country name here/" and away we go.
Once upon a time used communism as our 'go-to' bogeyman - then it was terrorism...
-We had to get rid of the terrorism bogeyman because it offended too many people.
-Communism is trending in and around permanent DC, so we can't use THAT as a bogeyman any more.
-So now we just use the bogeyman of "save the children" to strum everyone's heart strings.
...or climate change - we use the FUCK out of climate change.

So, I ask - did we really spend $2 TRILLION in Afghanistan or did we just transfer that money into the bank accounts of organizations like Fluor, Leidos, DynCorp, Aegis, Lockheed, Boeing, Raytheon, General Dynamics...
...lions and tigers and Russian Bears
OH.MY.


Whether the Ukraine is losing or not, it is their job to kill as many Russians and equipment as possible. Sure, we all know Pootie-Poo isn't ending the war any time soon, if ever, but what would you do in the same situation? (Insert some nation here) holds 20% of the US and our defeat is a given, so we just give up? Fight on, make them bleed, and maybe it shifts in our favor. Surrender and the French use us as a punchline.

Fight in the fields and the streets, fight in the hills, fight on the beaches...

I agree 100%

My rhetoric doesn't always get to the point - because what fun would that be - but I do agree - 100% - invade my home and we will fight until I cannot fight any more - and if I am forced into it, I will set my home ablaze before I am finally driven into a retreat.

But THAT isn't what bugs me. What bugs me is that "we the people" were in a position to apply deterrent options that would have saved countless lives on BOTH sides of this conflict. "we the people" were in a position to apply deterrent options that could have saved hundreds of billions of dollars that could have been spent - for the children - and we delibaretly opted out of that.
Instead, the Resident of the United States all but invited Russia to do as they pleased...

“It’s one thing if it’s a minor incursion..." said the American chief executive.

Nuance matters - and no matter how hard they tried to walk that comment back a few days later, with one breath of air, Joe Biden took away our deterrence options and forced us into dusting off our response options.
Which, I might add, have a MUCH higher profit margin for those that are heavily invested in the defense industry.

My grief is how willingly, joyfully, and openly our selected leaders lie to the American people about what is going on around the world and how our government is profiting from...
...how willingly, joyfully, and openly our selected leaders lie to the American people about what is going on around the world and how our government is addressing America's best interest at home and abroad.

To this point, there wasn't even supposed to be much of a fight and this thing was going to.be over in a matter of days. Here we are a couple years and a shit-ton of losses later.

Isn't that ALWAYS how war works?

Sun Tzu may have wrote, "There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare." - but then again, he never owned stock in Lockheed Martin.
 
That is some weapons grade copium.

In some other part of the special he goes to a grocery store and extols that his groceries were only 100 US dollars. He forgets to mention the average monthly income in Russia is like 300-400 dollars a month. So a quarter of an average income. Watching people extol Russian virtue and their system, with MAGA hats in their profile pics is one of the scariest things to me as an American.
 
In some other part of the special he goes to a grocery store and extols that his groceries were only 100 US dollars. He forgets to mention the average monthly income in Russia is like 300-400 dollars a month. So a quarter of an average income. Watching people extol Russian virtue and their system, with MAGA hats in their profile pics is one of the scariest things to me as an American.
I haven't seen folks in MAGA hats screaming how great Russia is.
I hear, and read, liberals claiming it; while ignoring the crowds streaming across the borders. Same liberals are cool with China funding the Biden family. Same liberals who demanded Trump's kids shut their businesses down just because.
 
I'm going to say it.
Binary isn't just a fucking gender choice.

I can elect to be politically non-binary if I choose to be.
-Hey Russia, suck my ass. You can take your entire nation as well as people like bernie sanders that brag about going there on vacation, and FUCK.RIGHT.OFF.
-Hey Ukraine, sucks to be you - don't care - oh, and eat a dick - we have our own problems.
-Hey China, before I forget, go fuck yourself.

Crazy how that works.
Since this is still America and the Biden administrations ministry of truth hasn't outlawed free speech yet, I can still enjoy the freedom of having a broad opinion without pretending that a lifetime of not liking the Russians has anything to do with a dish made of pounded, breaded, and fried chicken fillets stuffed with garlic butter...

It's crazy - its like I can actually not give a popcorn fuck about Ukraine while simultaneously not giving a popcorn fuck about Russia either...
...its a bummer that "the children" in Ukraine are suffering - but "the children" here in the USA are suffering too. nancy pelosi said so.
 
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