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That’s going to escalate things.
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The man who provided the road map to war for Putin has his daughter assassinated… in a very “ALLAHUAK(throat clearing noise)BAR” manner…
He is likely close with Putin and this could well strike a personal blow to the Kremlin and lead to a very negative escalation.
- I would like to hear smarter people than myself like @Marauder06 who could elaborate on the connection between Putin and Dugin.
-Part of me believes that the closeness between the two men has largely been a product of Western media speculation (not a conspiracy, just a free-media assumption). Is this correct or not?
He is likely close with Putin and this could well strike a personal blow to the Kremlin and lead to a very negative escalation.
- I would like to hear smarter people than myself like @Marauder06 who could elaborate on the connection between Putin and Dugin.
-Part of me believes that the closeness between the two men has largely been a product of Western media speculation (not a conspiracy, just a free-media assumption). Is this correct or not?
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Fuck if I know. Ask Brian Seltzer (fat bald dude) over at CNN or maybe try CNN+?I’m seeing a number of NATO and CIA related conspiracies being linked to this. If only there was someone on the site who could explain those to us…if only.
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Maybe try looking up some of Peter Zeihan's musings on Russia. If you think Russia is unstable now, wait until winter hits, pipes start freezing, and oil production plummets. Dolla dolla bills gonna be in short supply esse and when money is tight... shit gets real.
I mean, yes, that's his daughter but that's possibly not the reason for the device (although a nice tangential outcome); she was a pretty big mouthpiece for the Russian government in her own right. I'd say, given the information available at the moment, that he was the target but outside chance it wasn't.
@DasBoot no I don't think it is an exaggeration. They seem pretty tight and his political outlook looks, to me, like it's been pretty influential. This from the BBC:
Darya Dugina: Daughter of Putin ally killed in Moscow blast
@DasBoot no I don't think it is an exaggeration. They seem pretty tight and his political outlook looks, to me, like it's been pretty influential. This from the BBC:
While Alexander Dugin is not a state official himself, he is nevertheless a symbolic figure in Russian politics.
His anti-Western, ultranationalist philosophy has become the dominant political ideology in Russia and has helped shape President Putin's expansionist foreign policy, most prominently on Ukraine.
Attention will now turn to who was behind this attack. Denis Pushilin, the "head" of the self-declared pro-Russian "Donetsk People's Republic", has already laid the blame on Ukraine, writing on Telegram "Vile villains! The terrorists of the Ukrainian regime, trying to eliminate Alexander Dugin, blew up his daughter… In a car. We cherish the memory of Daria, she is a real Russian girl!"
Incidents like this will make officials in Moscow nervous, especially in the aftermath of a series of explosions and attacks in occupied Crimea and in Russian regions near the border with Ukraine.
Kremlin propaganda consistently stresses how Vladimir Putin has brought security and stability in Russia following the turbulent 1990s, when car bombs and assassinations were commonplace.
This car bomb in the Russian capital undermines that narrative.
Despite not holding an official position in government, Ms Dugina's father is believed to be a close ally of the Russian president and has even been branded "Putin's Rasputin".
The philosopher's daughter, Darya Dugina, was herself a prominent journalist who vocally supported the invasion of Ukraine.
Earlier this year she was sanctioned by US and UK authorities, who accused the 30-year-old of contributing to online "disinformation" in relation to Russia's invasion.
In May, she described the war as a "clash of civilisations" in an interview and expressed pride in the fact that both she and her father had been sanctioned by the West.
Alexander Dugin was sanctioned by the US in 2015 for his alleged involvement in the Russian annexation of Crimea.
His writings are credited with having a deep influence on Vladimir Putin's worldview and he is considered to be a chief intellectual architect of the ultra-nationalist ideology adhered to by many in the Kremlin.
For years, Mr Dugin has called on Moscow to assert itself more aggressively on the global stage and has supported Russian military action in Ukraine.
Darya Dugina: Daughter of Putin ally killed in Moscow blast
In with the trash take, before Marauder replies:
Putin probably read his book 'Foundations of Geopolitics' 24 years ago and gave it a 10/10 "Sh*t, why didn't I think of this ?" review. He fell madly in love with Dugins ideas ( use disinformation and destabilization against Western nations, but also diplomacy (tfoh lol), as well as occupation of neighbouring countries etc. ) and began to plot in accordance with Dugins road map to becoming a super power. Dugin on the other hand absolutely approves, but secretly considers Putin big succ ( not really, he is actualy pretty vocal about his dissapointments with him ) for being way too lenient and slow than what is required to make Russia great again. He regards Putin as "2 out 5 stars, OKAY tool, needs to be more aggressive". That about summs up their whole relationship imo.
I read Dugin’s Fourth Political Theory some years ago. Unashamedly very anti-West, pro-Eurasianism—which he’s dusted off from 1917 and repackaged.
The theory is basically a mix of communism, fascism and socialism. Very anti-Woke, incidentally. Anti-LGBT, anti-anybody who wants special treatment or who feels entitled. Claims not to be racist, but it’s there between the lines. It’s all about world hegemony centered on Eurasia, by which he means Russia, China, India etc but mostly Russia.
I never read any of his other shit. This one was enough to get the gist.
The theory is basically a mix of communism, fascism and socialism. Very anti-Woke, incidentally. Anti-LGBT, anti-anybody who wants special treatment or who feels entitled. Claims not to be racist, but it’s there between the lines. It’s all about world hegemony centered on Eurasia, by which he means Russia, China, India etc but mostly Russia.
I never read any of his other shit. This one was enough to get the gist.
Thanks for the compliment brother. I'm aware of the situation but to be honest Dugin wasn't on my radar before his went all "high-order detonation." I'll be following your analysis on this one.
It definitely seems like the obvious culprit is the Ukrainians. But there is sooooo much intrigue in Russia that it could have been another oligarch crime family, or even Putin himself. Heck it's even possible that the daughter herself was the actual target. I don't know.
What would interest me the most is if this turns out to be the Ukrainians. And I mean like "really" the Ukrainians, I think we all know Putin is going to blame them no matter who actually ordered it. While it makes sense to me that the Ukrainians would want to take the fight to the Russians on their own soil, there is a risk of escalation or making someone a martyr, which might happen here (they killed an "innocent" woman, after all).
I've read several reports that the Russians have been trying to murder Zelenskyy for a while now. I wonder if this event widens that contract to his extended family (if it wasn't there already).
This comes a few months after Zelensky purged the leadership of the SBU so I’m wondering if the security service or directorate of foreign intelligence was involved. Both answer directly to the president. Hard to know who was the intended target…but even Mossad Kidon teams occasionally kill the wrong guy and they’ve got a pretty good track record.
If I had to guess, I’d say if it quacks like a duck it’s a duck and Dugin Sr was the target and the Ukrainians did it and oops killed the daughter instead.
It’ll be interesting to see what form the revenge takes, because a reckoning surely is coming.
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The Russians have been genociding Ukrainian civvies in mass, if they haven't fled, in their conquered areas. What more are they gonna do?
I'm gonna laugh if this hit was done and botched, by a splinter faction of Russians trying to get outta Putins thumb.
I'm gonna laugh if this hit was done and botched, by a splinter faction of Russians trying to get outta Putins thumb.
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There are plenty of Russians who are against Russia's war in Ukraine, I was working with a couple of them.
I cant find the photo right now but Dugina jr 'the fried' recently went on a sightseeing tour of the Azotal steel works in Mariupol where she was taking celebratory selfies. Fuck her.
Taken immediately after the explosion. Dugina is supposedly the guy at the start of the footage
FYI...
I cant find the photo right now but Dugina jr 'the fried' recently went on a sightseeing tour of the Azotal steel works in Mariupol where she was taking celebratory selfies. Fuck her.
Taken immediately after the explosion. Dugina is supposedly the guy at the start of the footage
FYI...
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They certainly could escalate, there are a lot of targets out there that my Military friends and I were scratching our heads wondering why the Russians hadn't been attacking them. That said, the commies have supposedly used 60+% of their guided munitions so factor that into the equation.
Putin has fired many senior military and FSB staff, he's made some serious enemies, so anything is possible. I hope it is Russian internal strife, but Id be very happy to hear that this was a Ukrainian SOF mission, they certainly are running some.
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@pardus Thank you for the info!
I've heard that Russia has been using a boatload of their guided stuff and that the failure rate on those systems has been less than good. Seen pictures of their dud missiles having civvie parts /control / electronic boards that are straight out of Alibaba. Given the failure rate of their tech, I wonder how that last 40% is gonna help them or of they can even trust it.
Honestly, I've got no idea about UKR SOF ops in that section of the world. All I know is that the Russian economy is about to go through some major upheavals and that they're supposedly burning through their foreign currency reserves at an alarming rate. Which is why I'm thinking domestic.
I've heard that Russia has been using a boatload of their guided stuff and that the failure rate on those systems has been less than good. Seen pictures of their dud missiles having civvie parts /control / electronic boards that are straight out of Alibaba. Given the failure rate of their tech, I wonder how that last 40% is gonna help them or of they can even trust it.
Honestly, I've got no idea about UKR SOF ops in that section of the world. All I know is that the Russian economy is about to go through some major upheavals and that they're supposedly burning through their foreign currency reserves at an alarming rate. Which is why I'm thinking domestic.
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The Ukrainians are shooting down more missiles than are getting through to their targets. A lot of their chips are commercially purchased, including some from washing machines etc... but not for their high end equipment, a large percentage of those chips are US manufactured too, though they are not sold directly and this is being addressed by the US govt.
A friend of mine was doing a recce and was being harassed by artillery fire during this, they calculated that the Russians spent approx $200,000 to harass them and therefore considered it a win
Dennis Rodman came to West Point to talk about North Korea a few years back. It was one of the best-attended optional events I can recall during my time at West Point. Everyone expected something... weird. I don't remember it that way. I remember Rodman being thoughtful and articulate and respectful. The video is probably on the Internet somewhere.
So this isn't as weird as it sounds:
Dennis Rodman says he's planning Russia trip to seek Brittney Griner's release
So this isn't as weird as it sounds:
Dennis Rodman says he's planning Russia trip to seek Brittney Griner's release
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There's enough Gangsters with means in Russia to take out that chick and her dad that you could easily put it in Russian territory. Ukrainian SBU or SOF getting that deep into Russia would require a lot of work that is kinda worthless and a waste of resources.
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That is a talk I would've happily attended. Intel is intel, regardless of the source.
I wonder if Steven Segal has chimed in on the Griner case... I hope she suffers, though like our beloved Berghdhal she has her admirers, and she'll get her book deal $$$
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They also burned through a lot of their stock in Syria.
The crazy thing about their war in Syria was they went with guided munitions at first until they started running out of those and then went...pre-WWII with their munitions. Barrel bombs and shit rolled out of the backs of helicopters. Their modern "dumb" bombs are also less accurate than their Western counterparts.
I sat on scope one day and watched a stream of TU-22's fly through our air stack over Mosul (fuckers, that was a nightmare) and then ripple off one cruise missile after another before yoinking a 180 to return to the Motherland. They did this several times a week and when that wasn't happening they launched cruise missiles out of the Caspian Sea.
Maybe their stuff was shit to begin with or maybe they used so much they are now cobbling together "guided" munitions? No telling with the Soviets.
As long as we trade the right type and quantity of killers for her, that's a win-win for all parties.
