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Thought this editorial at WSJ was spot on. The link is subscription only, so I am posting the whole post:

Donald Trump’s Last Stand

Beyond its vulgar details, Americans didn’t learn much new about Donald Trump in the video of his sexual boasting with Billy Bush. Anybody paying attention already knew Mr. Trump is crude and loutish and given to crassly judging women by their looks. His exchange with Megyn Kelly of Fox News in the first GOP debate made that clear. Republican voters nominated him despite these risks, and the release of an especially lewd and nasty 11-year-old tape put Mr. Trump’s candidacy in crisis as he faced the second presidential debate Sunday night.

Our email inbox is filled with Republicans saying this is a double standard because while Mr. Trump may talk like a lout, Bill Clinton acts like one and Hillary Clinton enables him. Oh, and Democrats still revere JFK, who was a sexual predator in the White House.

This is all true, and it is a bit much to see the same liberals who said Mr. Clinton’s actual exploitation of an intern was merely about sex, or who called Paula Jones trailer trash, now wax indignant about Mr. Trump’s bragging. The same moralists who celebrate misogyny in pop music and a sex-crazed culture are also conveniently outraged by a man who was marinated in that culture before he entered politics.

Yet as a matter of cold political reality these objections don’t matter. Mr. Trump’s behavior is offensive to traditional standards of decent male behavior, and conservatives rightly made the case that “character counts” against Mr. Clinton in the White House.

Even before the tape and his half-apologies, Mr. Trump was underperforming with college-educated Republicans, especially women. The tape may disqualify him with these voters, and more such tapes may surface. Democrats know how to do opposition research, and Mr. Trump’s past is an opponent’s field of dreams.

This is the political reality that Mr. Trump confronted Sunday night, and the question was whether he did enough to repair the damage to his candidacy by asking voters to look past his comments to the larger stakes of the election. On that score he did better on the issues than he did in apologizing.

Mr. Trump was less effective in the first half hour because his apology for the tape seemed too grudging. He also couldn’t resist going after Bill Clinton’s sexual abuses, which didn’t make Mr. Trump look any more presidential. Americans already know about the Clinton deceptions about sex, which is one reason polls show that most Americans don’t want to vote for Hillary. That’s the main—the only—reason Mr. Trump is still within striking distance after his many blunders.

Mr. Trump’s problem is that voters aren’t sure they trust him to sit in the Oval Office. His lack of impulse control, his inability to take criticism, his 3 a.m. Twitter rants and his seeming failure to prepare for debates all reinforce the doubts the Clinton campaign is raising about his immaturity and temperament.

On the issues Mr. Trump was much better prepared on Sunday, and he kept Mrs. Clinton on the defensive on taxes, ObamaCare and her own ethical problems with her private email server. She isn’t any better than Mr. Trump at apologizing, and we’ll bet Mrs. Clinton doesn’t try citing Abraham Lincoln again as a defense of her private versus public persona. Mr. Trump’s riposte about “Honest Abe” exposed the falsity of that answer.

On the other hand Mr. Trump offered up a convoluted mess on Syria, criticizing the Obama Administration for its failures but without any clear idea of what to do about it. He should listen to his running mate, Mike Pence, on the subject instead of disagreeing with him.

The question that will take some time to answer is whether his performance was strong enough to stop the defection of Republicans who have been saying publicly since Friday that he should drop off the ticket in favor of Mr. Pence. We’d prefer Mr. Pence as President too, but this election isn’t about us. It’s about the American public, and millions of voters put Mr. Trump on the ballot. Republicans would find it very difficult to replace Mr. Trump at this late stage of the race unless Mr. Trump agrees to voluntarily recede, and on Saturday he told the Journal there is “zero chance I’ll quit.”

His performance was probably strong enough to reinforce that conviction, but he was falling in the polls even before the tape emerged and he has much ground to make up. If the polls continue to slide, his fellow Republicans will have some difficult choices. They can’t be blamed for breaking from Mr. Trump if that is what their consciences demand or if that is the best path to political survival this year. But they also need Mr. Trump to avoid a free fall if they want their Senate incumbents to win in swing states.

At some point Republicans running for the House and Senate may have to mobilize voters with an argument that they need them as a check on Hillary Clinton. Her domestic agenda is to the left of President Obama’s, and a Nancy Pelosi House would implement it. The next week will decide whether they need to pull that emergency lever.
 
Thought this editorial at WSJ was spot on. The link is subscription only, so I am posting the whole post:

Donald Trump’s Last Stand

Beyond its vulgar details, Americans didn’t learn much new about Donald Trump in the video of his sexual boasting with Billy Bush. Anybody paying attention already knew Mr. Trump is crude and loutish and given to crassly judging women by their looks. His exchange with Megyn Kelly of Fox News in the first GOP debate made that clear. Republican voters nominated him despite these risks, and the release of an especially lewd and nasty 11-year-old tape put Mr. Trump’s candidacy in crisis as he faced the second presidential debate Sunday night.

Our email inbox is filled with Republicans saying this is a double standard because while Mr. Trump may talk like a lout, Bill Clinton acts like one and Hillary Clinton enables him. Oh, and Democrats still revere JFK, who was a sexual predator in the White House.

This is all true, and it is a bit much to see the same liberals who said Mr. Clinton’s actual exploitation of an intern was merely about sex, or who called Paula Jones trailer trash, now wax indignant about Mr. Trump’s bragging. The same moralists who celebrate misogyny in pop music and a sex-crazed culture are also conveniently outraged by a man who was marinated in that culture before he entered politics.

Yet as a matter of cold political reality these objections don’t matter. Mr. Trump’s behavior is offensive to traditional standards of decent male behavior, and conservatives rightly made the case that “character counts” against Mr. Clinton in the White House.

Even before the tape and his half-apologies, Mr. Trump was underperforming with college-educated Republicans, especially women. The tape may disqualify him with these voters, and more such tapes may surface. Democrats know how to do opposition research, and Mr. Trump’s past is an opponent’s field of dreams.

This is the political reality that Mr. Trump confronted Sunday night, and the question was whether he did enough to repair the damage to his candidacy by asking voters to look past his comments to the larger stakes of the election. On that score he did better on the issues than he did in apologizing.

Mr. Trump was less effective in the first half hour because his apology for the tape seemed too grudging. He also couldn’t resist going after Bill Clinton’s sexual abuses, which didn’t make Mr. Trump look any more presidential. Americans already know about the Clinton deceptions about sex, which is one reason polls show that most Americans don’t want to vote for Hillary. That’s the main—the only—reason Mr. Trump is still within striking distance after his many blunders.

Mr. Trump’s problem is that voters aren’t sure they trust him to sit in the Oval Office. His lack of impulse control, his inability to take criticism, his 3 a.m. Twitter rants and his seeming failure to prepare for debates all reinforce the doubts the Clinton campaign is raising about his immaturity and temperament.

On the issues Mr. Trump was much better prepared on Sunday, and he kept Mrs. Clinton on the defensive on taxes, ObamaCare and her own ethical problems with her private email server. She isn’t any better than Mr. Trump at apologizing, and we’ll bet Mrs. Clinton doesn’t try citing Abraham Lincoln again as a defense of her private versus public persona. Mr. Trump’s riposte about “Honest Abe” exposed the falsity of that answer.

On the other hand Mr. Trump offered up a convoluted mess on Syria, criticizing the Obama Administration for its failures but without any clear idea of what to do about it. He should listen to his running mate, Mike Pence, on the subject instead of disagreeing with him.

The question that will take some time to answer is whether his performance was strong enough to stop the defection of Republicans who have been saying publicly since Friday that he should drop off the ticket in favor of Mr. Pence. We’d prefer Mr. Pence as President too, but this election isn’t about us. It’s about the American public, and millions of voters put Mr. Trump on the ballot. Republicans would find it very difficult to replace Mr. Trump at this late stage of the race unless Mr. Trump agrees to voluntarily recede, and on Saturday he told the Journal there is “zero chance I’ll quit.”

His performance was probably strong enough to reinforce that conviction, but he was falling in the polls even before the tape emerged and he has much ground to make up. If the polls continue to slide, his fellow Republicans will have some difficult choices. They can’t be blamed for breaking from Mr. Trump if that is what their consciences demand or if that is the best path to political survival this year. But they also need Mr. Trump to avoid a free fall if they want their Senate incumbents to win in swing states.

At some point Republicans running for the House and Senate may have to mobilize voters with an argument that they need them as a check on Hillary Clinton. Her domestic agenda is to the left of President Obama’s, and a Nancy Pelosi House would implement it. The next week will decide whether they need to pull that emergency lever.


How in the hell are they going to beat Clinton if they pull all backing from Trump, (which is what they always do with their candidates) and stand up a new candidate at this point in the game. They either back Trump, or roll up the carpet, pick up their toys and congratulate Clinton on her win at the start of debate III.
 
So everyone is just blowing it off? No lawsuits for liable?
It's more difficult for a politician to prove libel than, say, an ordinary citizen. The threshold is much higher. I would also say that taking someone to court for libel would be very distracting to their campaign, and probably not worth it.
 
Our email inbox is filled with Republicans saying this is a double standard because while Mr. Trump may talk like a lout, Bill Clinton acts like one and Hillary Clinton enables him. Oh, and Democrats still revere JFK, who was a sexual predator in the White House.

This is all true, and it is a bit much to see the same liberals who said Mr. Clinton’s actual exploitation of an intern was merely about sex, or who called Paula Jones trailer trash, now wax indignant about Mr. Trump’s bragging. The same moralists who celebrate misogyny in pop music and a sex-crazed culture are also conveniently outraged by a man who was marinated in that culture before he entered politics.

Yet as a matter of cold political reality these objections don’t matter. Mr. Trump’s behavior is offensive to traditional standards of decent male behavior, and conservatives rightly made the case that “character counts” against Mr. Clinton in the White House.

I can't stand Trump, but this hypocritical behavior in sickening. "Oh yeah, other presidents did it, but Trump..." Neither side has the moral character to let any issue stand on its own. They drag out comparisons to justify/ attack the other side instead of owning up to their bad behavior. This tactic wouldn't fly in a high school debate, but on a national stage adults not only practice it, but revel in its execution.
 
^^^ And one of those sides or the other* will be politically leading the country in a short amount of time. Disturbing.


*Really, just one side at this point. But, like Mr. Rogers said, sometimes its fun for boys and girls to pretend.
 
I thought when Trump threatened HRC with jail it was disturbing on an intellectual level - but I think if that kind of decorum/tradition/civic engagement shit gets to you this election cycle has already driven you insane.

What stuck with me was thinking about a Fresh Air interview I listened to the other day (transcript: Journalist Says Trump Foundation May Have Engaged In 'Self-Dealing') in which a reporter who's done a lot of work on Trump's charitable giving (or rather lack thereof) summarized a lot of the findings and questions. It left me with the distinct impression Trump could be facing the specter of jail time if he's not the President as scrutiny of his finances has started to pull back the curtain on some exceptionally shady, and likely illegal activities.

Will be ironic if Trump's red meat lines to the base about HRC belonging in jail - and political scientists hand-wringing about jailing your opponents - turns out to actually apply to him.
 
I thought when Trump threatened HRC with jail it was disturbing on an intellectual level...

Both candidates, most presidential campaigns, 97% of the media talking heads and much of the American population are disturbing to me on an intellectual level. The only way I can cope is to hit the DIVE button on my humor submarine and run deep through the gutter with the rest of them.
 
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How in the hell are they going to beat Clinton if they pull all backing from Trump, (which is what they always do with their candidates) and stand up a new candidate at this point in the game. They either back Trump, or roll up the carpet, pick up their toys and congratulate Clinton on her win at the start of debate III.

I think they need to back Trump 100% until the last precinct in the last state closes on Nov 8. At that time, knowing it is likely that HRC will win, I would be as utterly obstructionist as I could be.
 
I think they need to back Trump 100% until the last precinct in the last state closes on Nov 8. At that time, knowing it is likely that HRC will win, I would be as utterly obstructionist as I could be.

Today's voters are media driven. The bulk of the media has been obama/Clinton supportive. That said, Clinton will likely prevail; and I hate the reason behind it all.

I thought when Trump threatened HRC with jail it was disturbing on an intellectual level - but I think if that kind of decorum/tradition/civic engagement shit gets to you this election cycle has already driven you insane.

What stuck with me was thinking about a Fresh Air interview I listened to the other day (transcript: Journalist Says Trump Foundation May Have Engaged In 'Self-Dealing') in which a reporter who's done a lot of work on Trump's charitable giving (or rather lack thereof) summarized a lot of the findings and questions. It left me with the distinct impression Trump could be facing the specter of jail time if he's not the President as scrutiny of his finances has started to pull back the curtain on some exceptionally shady, and likely illegal activities.

Will be ironic if Trump's red meat lines to the base about HRC belonging in jail - and political scientists hand-wringing about jailing your opponents - turns out to actually apply to him.

No Clinton enemy has every gotten off without severe personal damage. She will do to Trump, what Trump said he will do to her.

We are living in a dangerous world, at a dangerous time. That should be the focus of whoever is POTUS. I just don't believe Clinton has a handle on the world threats.
 
Reporter stating that Secret Service pulled everyone's phones because they didn't trust them to disable their flashes and didn't want to trigger Hillary's "seizure disorder". If she has one, she just needs to admit it.

Reporter admits Hillary's "seizure disorder" reason why flashes banned by Secret Service.
Seems like they missed Ken Bone's disposable camera, it didn't trigger any seizure but rest assured, we can go to sleep well tonight that tin foil wearing men will keep spreading this bullshit forever.

http://jalopnik.com/what-does-ken-bone-drive-1787617800

No Clinton enemy has every gotten off without severe personal damage. She will do to Trump, what Trump said he will do to her.
Are you referring to the whole throwing her jail comment? Correct me if I am wrong but the president can't use the justice department to eliminate political adversaries. Then again, in Trump's head, our laws ought to be closer to those of the CCCP then our beloved constitution.
 
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That's not what I said. You made an incorrect statement and I called it out. I never said it was good for either side to do it.
Got it, thanks for the links, I was aware of the IRS stuff but didn't know DoJ's involvement.

At the end of the day, Clinton win or lose will live the rest of her life free and in the public sphere, even if it isn't holding an office (as most don't serve the office), through their foundation. Too bad Hitchens isn't around to write another book similar to his Trial of Henry Kissinger on Hillary.
 
Many presidents and other elected officials have used the justice department to do their bidding with regard to political enemies. It wasn't OK for them, and it wouldn't be OK for Trump. But whether is has been done or can be done is separate from the argument of should it be done (which of course is 'no').
 
Many presidents and other elected officials have used the justice department to do their bidding with regard to political enemies. It wasn't OK for them, and it wouldn't be OK for Trump. But whether is has been done or can be done is separate from the argument of should it be done (which of course is 'no').

That's more or less how the Game of Thrones is played in this world. Even in this "civilized" society, the act of using the instruments of power to retain personal grasp on that power is alive and well.
 
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