2016 Presidential Race

[compforce]

Expert mode- do it WITHOUT mentioning the person he's running against.

Congress is gridlocked with the current system. Trump is a good enough manipulator to take a strong position on something that he doesn't want just to get Congress to stand up in bipartisan opposition to the policy and vote in exactly what he really wanted in the first place.

 

[CQB]

It may not have occured to you, but as far as HRC is concerned you all seem to be sufferering from a collective form of confirmation bias.

 

[Marine0311]

It may not have occured to you, but as far as HRC is concerned you all seem to be sufferering from a collective form of confirmation bias.

Yes and we should be grateful for Her Leadership

 

[CQB]

The other option is to close up the shop, leave the world to a rising China, a belligerent Russia and play Pokemon GO. If Trump is to make America great again as he wishes to do he will not achieve it with disengagement. The world cannot afford the US to do it, just to pack up and go home. The US still leads the field in a lot of areas and may not be the global imperial power it was, but there isn't any other and it is still powerful. You should really have a good look at what you're wishing for and consider the future.

 

[compforce]

The world cannot afford the US to do it, just to pack up and go home.

And the US cannot continue to dilute its presence on the world stage. It's just a form of global socialism. The US gives up everything it has to raise everyone else to a level just below surviving. A whole world of Venezuelas will be the result. (If China and Russia didn't step into the vacuum)

 

[TLDR20]

This editorial echoes your sentiments that you get what you see with Trump.

Obama’s Final Revenge: The Accidental Destruction of Hillary Clinton, by Ben Shapiro, National Review

Wow. I guess I don't live in the same America that Ben Shapiro does. By any measure our economy has improved since President Obama has taken office. Crime is lower than at almost any time in recent history, putting the rise of ISIS on him alone is rather silly.

Lots of rhetoric there and very little substance. Seems par for the course from an editorial in the National Review. Any writing that starts by using competent and Donald Trump in the same sentence is obviously not going to go well.

And the US cannot continue to dilute its presence on the world stage. It's just a form of global socialism. The US gives up everything it has to raise everyone else to a level just below surviving. A whole world of Venezuelas will be the result. (If China and Russia didn't step into the vacuum)

We give up everything we have? Really? I would like to see how that is at all based in any kind of fact? Global socialism? How can we do better? How can we enforce American standards for things like local corruption, greed, and other factors while still trying to help?

This fucking ADD clown as President.... Of the United States? Come the fuck on

Donald Trump’s Washington Post interview should make Republicans panic

 

[Devildoc]

By any measure our economy has improved since President Obama has taken office.

Wow. I guess I don't live in the same America that Ben Shapiro does. By any measure our economy has improved since President Obama has taken office. Crime is lower than at almost any time in recent history, putting the rise of ISIS on him alone is rather silly.

Lots of rhetoric there and very little substance. Seems par for the course from an editorial in the National Review. Any writing that starts by using competent and Donald Trump in the same sentence is obviously not going to go well.

I agree that crime is a non-issue. Oh, BLM and cop killing sure; but they are statistical outliers.

 

[compforce]

We give up everything we have? Really? I would like to see how that is at all based in any kind of fact? Global socialism? How can we do better? How can we enforce American standards for things like local corruption, greed, and other factors while still trying to help?

My point being that I don't think either extreme is the answer. We have to participate in the global economy, but we shouldn't give away all of our negotiating leverage to do so. For example, TPP will crush our currently meager GDP (1.2% last month!) by outsourcing our jobs and exports to other countries with no oversight or ability to pull it back. H1B Visas continue to be expanded to bring in cheap STEM labor even though our own STEM graduates are unable to find work related to their degrees. We need to be smart about how we interact with the rest of the world, not pursue globalization on the grand scale, thereby ceding our own identity.

How can we enforce American standards for things like local corruption, greed, and other factors while still trying to help?

How about we help ourselves first...?

 

[AWP]

H1B Visas continue to be expanded to bring in cheap STEM labor even though our own STEM graduates are unable to find work related to their degrees.

I don't think most Americans realize how problematic this is, but I also don't think a single candidate will do anything about the problem. We lament the lack of STEM degrees, but then create an environment where they cannot be used.

 

[Single Malt]

This fucking ADD clown as President.... Of the United States? Come the fuck on

Donald Trump’s Washington Post interview should make Republicans panic

That was a seriously terrible read, he must of taken double dosage of his ADD meds before that interview. I would really like to know what a Trump supporter gets out of reading that interview. What I got out of it was that Trump think complete sentences are unnecessary and over-rated.

 

[Gunz]

To be fair, I don't think any sitting POTUS has that much control over the economy which is affected by global market fluctuations. They'll take credit for any improvements and blame the political opposition for any setbacks, that much is a given.

 

[TLDR20]

I agree that crime is a non-issue. Oh, BLM and cop killing sure; but they are statistical outliers.

Nifty little pictures. I love that they all have differing x and y axes that make them look oh so dramatic. Don't forget where we were in 2008.

My point being that I don't think either extreme is the answer. We have to participate in the global economy, but we shouldn't give away all of our negotiating leverage to do so. For example, TPP will crush our currently meager GDP (1.2% last month!) by outsourcing our jobs and exports to other countries with no oversight or ability to pull it back. H1B Visas continue to be expanded to bring in cheap STEM labor even though our own STEM graduates are unable to find work related to their degrees. We need to be smart about how we interact with the rest of the world, not pursue globalization on the grand scale, thereby ceding our own identity.

STEM grads have a hard time getting jobs? On what planet? Engineers? Scientists? Where? Anectdotally I know off the top of my head 50 engineers all of whom had a job upon graduating, those who went back for advanced degrees had people shitting on themselves to give them jobs. If you are talking a non science biology degree then maybe, if you also count as unemployed those seeking advanced degrees, again maybe, but STEM isn't exactly a field where it is hard to find work.

 

[compforce]

I don't think most Americans realize how problematic this is, but I also don't think a single candidate will do anything about the problem. We lament the lack of STEM degrees, but then create an environment where they cannot be used.

Most of the recent IT graduates certainly are understanding it... They have plenty of time to think about it while they don't get hired.

STEM grads have a hard time getting jobs? On what planet? Engineers? Scientists? Where? Anectdotally I know off the top of my head 50 engineers all of whom had a job upon graduating, those who went back for advanced degrees had people shitting on themselves to give them jobs. If you are talking a non science biology degree then maybe, if you also count as unemployed those seeking advanced degrees, again maybe, but STEM isn't exactly a field where it is hard to find work.

STEM Grads Are at a Loss

The National Institutes of Health, for example, has developed a program to help new biomedical Ph.D.s find alternative careers in the face of “unattractive” job prospects in the field

And yes, I realize the second one picks it apart. The key point in it is that it is all based on local factors. If you have a degree in aerospace engineering in the DC area, you probably have a job immediately. Take that same degree anywhere else in the country and you're lucky if you're even in a related field.

In the IT industry, I can't count the number of unemployed IT professionals I know. Literally 3/4 of them can't find a job and have had to try to do consulting which very few are successful at. Granted, most don't have an engineering degree, but they do have an average of more than 10 years of experience.

Census: 74% of STEM grads don't get STEM jobs
Are STEM Graduates Really Having Trouble Finding Jobs?

But a Census Bureau report published earlier this month (ed: 7/28/2014) indicates something different. The analysis of American Community Survey data found that a surprising 74 percent of STEM graduates did not have STEM jobs.

 

[TLDR20]

STEM Grads Are at a Loss


Census: 74% of STEM grads don't get STEM jobs
Are STEM Graduates Really Having Trouble Finding Jobs?

Right, but they are employed. As an example, my wife has a Ph.D in engineering. Her current job is not in her field of biomedical engineering, therefore she fits this mold. She is employed, well, and uses her STEM education to solve problems, so while not a BME, she is still using STEM skills. Everyone who gets a biology degree doesn't work in biology. People get PH.D's in math and work the stock market, like it said in the census report, unemployment is low, employment in the same career as studies is what is off.

 

[Centermass]

Journalists. Gotta love em.

 

[Devildoc]

Nifty little pictures. I love that they all have differing x and y axes that make them look oh so dramatic. Don't forget where we were in 2008.

...and those were the easy ones to find. Change the axes, the data remains. This country has been no further than two quarters from recession for many, many months. If anything the economy has been pretty stagnant.

But I get there are different interpretations. That ass-kisser Krugman at the NYT, who thinks Obama is the niftiest thing since sliced bread, thinks the economy is so cheerful and rosy the next POTUS would be remiss in not continuing current policy.

I won't argue where we were in 2008, but I would imagine our perspectives will differ on how we got there.

 

[compforce]

Right, but they are employed. As an example, my wife has a Ph.D in engineering. Her current job is not in her field of biomedical engineering, therefore she fits this mold. She is employed, well, and uses her STEM education to solve problems, so while not a BME, she is still using STEM skills. Everyone who gets a biology degree doesn't work in biology. People get PH.D's in math and work the stock market, like it said in the census report, unemployment is low, employment in the same career as studies is what is off.

But why are they in other career fields? Yes, there will be a percentage that opt to do something else or who have the opportunity to make more somewhere else. But given the education, wouldn't you expect the vast majority to be employed in an area related to their degree, especially immediately after graduation?

 

[Devildoc]

Right, but they are employed. As an example, my wife has a Ph.D in engineering. Her current job is not in her field of biomedical engineering, therefore she fits this mold. She is employed, well, and uses her STEM education to solve problems, so while not a BME, she is still using STEM skills. Everyone who gets a biology degree doesn't work in biology. People get PH.D's in math and work the stock market, like it said in the census report, unemployment is low, employment in the same career as studies is what is off.

Same holds true with a BA in Womens' Studies. Very, very few majors hold jobs in which they majored (or in which they studied for a graduate degree).

As for unemployment that data gets so mangled and twisted. It's hard to figure out who to believe.

 

[TLDR20]

But why are they in other career fields? Yes, there will be a percentage that opt to do something else or who have the opportunity to make more somewhere else. But given the education, wouldn't you expect the vast majority to be employed in an area related to their degree, especially immediately after graduation?

Not really. There are only so many jobs for Marine biologists. That degree could be used to do many other things, that may or may not use the direct degree.

 

[AWP]

STEM grads have a hard time getting jobs? On what planet? Engineers? Scientists? Where? Anectdotally I know off the top of my head 50 engineers all of whom had a job upon graduating, those who went back for advanced degrees had people shitting on themselves to give them jobs. If you are talking a non science biology degree then maybe, if you also count as unemployed those seeking advanced degrees, again maybe, but STEM isn't exactly a field where it is hard to find work.

@compforce addressed this, but IT is one area that's hit hard. Sure some STEM degrees may not have issues, but others do. Your Comp. Sci. degree may score you an entry-level job, but moving beyond that becomes very difficult. You have cert mills in India cranking out paper certs left and right for a workforce will work for much less than their American counterparts. Comp. Sci. is becoming like other degrees where you need a Master's and some specialization to be noticed.