Covid-19

Sohei said:
I truthfully can't believe them at this point due to the mumbo jumbo that has been shown.
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I think they’re just getting started.

 
B 1.1.7 strain found in an Elbert County resident, early 20s, no travel history. Elbert County which is near Denver has 27,000 residents. This the strain that appeared in the UK in September.

Colorado first state in U.S. to confirm new, more contagious strain of COVID-19

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ETA: Oregon's governor continues to be one of the biggest pieces of human fecal matter in politics.

Salon owner accuses Oregon governor of retaliating for resisting lockdown orders: 'She terrorized my family'
 
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The New York Times: The Elderly vs. Essential Workers: Who Should Get the Coronavirus Vaccine First?.
The Elderly vs. Essential Workers: Who Should Get the Coronavirus Vaccine First?

Who wants to rip on "wokeness" today? It's the main thought throughout this article of actual health and ethics experts.

“If your goal is to maximize the preservation of human life, then you would bias the vaccine toward older Americans,” Dr. Scott Gottlieb, the former Food and Drug Administration commissioner, said recently. “If your goal is to reduce the rate of infection, then you would prioritize essential workers. So it depends what impact you’re trying to achieve.”
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Ok, this is a reasonable question. Do we want to protect the elderly, or do we want to slow infection rates and begin opening the country?
I think you can argue both ways.

But...

What...

“To me the issue of ethics is very significant, very important for this country,” Dr. Peter Szilagyi, a committee member and a pediatrics professor at the University of California, Los Angeles, said at the time, “and clearly favors the essential worker group because of the high proportion of minority, low-income and low-education workers among essential workers.”
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...the...

Marc Lipsitch, an infectious-disease epidemiologist at Harvard’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health, argued that teachers should not be included as essential workers, if a central goal of the committee is to reduce health inequities.

“Teachers have middle-class salaries, are very often white, and they have college degrees,” he said. “Of course they should be treated better, but they are not among the most mistreated of workers.”
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Fuck?

Harald Schmidt, an expert in ethics and health policy at the University of Pennsylvania, said that it is reasonable to put essential workers ahead of older adults, given their risks, and that they are disproportionately minorities. “Older populations are whiter, ” Dr. Schmidt said. “Society is structured in a way that enables them to live longer. Instead of giving additional health benefits to those who already had more of them, we can start to level the playing field a bit.
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These are some of the crazier reasonings I pulled.
There are legitimate social reason to think about how best to distribute the vaccine (and I encourage you to read the article to see those perspectives), but all of these hot takes are hot fucking garbage.
 
@Kraut783 I don't know about Moderna, The Pfizer vaccine, there is no evidence that if you've had it that it is unsafe to get. There is a little bit of evidence that suggests that you can get an enhanced immune effect from it, but the question is, is no one knows for how long.

@Cookie_ , So I should be last to get it because I'm white? Or a male? Or the wrong type of essential worker? Give me a fucking break. 🙄 (Not directed at you, but at those articles)....

@RackMaster , perhaps we don't know because the vaccine was rushed to market? There's still three years left on the Pfizer study, there's so much about this we just don't know yet.
 
Devildoc said:
@Kraut783 I don't know about Moderna, The Pfizer vaccine, there is no evidence that if you've had it that it is unsafe to get. There is a little bit of evidence that suggests that you can get an enhanced immune effect from it, but the question is, is no one knows for how long.

@Cookie_ , So I should be last to get it because I'm white? Or a male? Or the wrong type of essential worker? Give me a fucking break. 🙄 (Not directed at you, but at those articles)....

@RackMaster , perhaps we don't know because the vaccine was rushed to market? There's still three years left on the Pfizer study, there's so much about this we just don't know yet.
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You wrote a few days ago that there's some concern that the antibodies decline in number after six months or so. Even if that's little more than an unproven theory, I'm still going to get the shot. I don't want to get this shit again.
 
Gunz said:
You wrote a few days ago that there's some concern that the antibodies decline in number after six months or so. Even if that's little more than an unproven theory, I'm still going to get the shot. I don't want to get this shit again.
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I try to look at these things in terms of risk versus benefit, using all the critical thinking skills I learned, I think there's a population where the benefit certainly outweighs the risk, whereby some immunity, even if minimal, is certainly better than nothing, and I think you fit that criteria.
 
@Devildoc I completely understand and agree with the rushed process, not giving us all the answers.
I'm sure these vaccines have their place and perhaps should have been pushed to the most vulnerable. But the advertising from all those involved has not been that reality. The masses think these are the panacea to "bring back normal". In reality, none of the control measures in place, are going away. If anything, we should expect more; even with everyone vaccinated.
 
RackMaster said:
@Devildoc I completely understand and agree with the rushed process, not giving us all the answers.
I'm sure these vaccines have their place and perhaps should have been pushed to the most vulnerable. But the advertising from all those involved has not been that reality. The masses think these are the panacea to "bring back normal". In reality, none of the control measures in place, are going away. If anything, we should expect more; even with everyone vaccinated.
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I agree. I am by nature very wary of magic potions and elixirs, and I see this vaccine, today, in that category. I want more data, I want to see how people respond, and I want to know what kind of antibodies are around in 6 months, 9 months, and a year. We don't have any of those answers. I also agree that this is one part of a multi-part process and the environmental controls aren't going away anytime soon. everyone in my department has had it now, and I am kind of a pariah. wow they have not necessarily bullied me, a couple people have gotten borderline nasty with me about it. Of course all that does is make me want to stick to my guns even more.
 
Person posted on Facebook about the Moderna Vaccine...not sure if she signed up for the study or whatever. But she's not an "essential worker" or in an at risk category either. But she goes: "Does anyone else have arm soreness?" on Facebook.

And I'm like...OMFG, do you know how many shots they gave me in the Army that gave me arm soreness?
 
ThunderHorse said:
Person posted on Facebook about the Moderna Vaccine...not sure if she signed up for the study or whatever. But she's not an "essential worker" or in an at risk category either. But she goes: "Does anyone else have arm soreness?" on Facebook.

And I'm like...OMFG, do you know how many shots they gave me in the Army that gave me arm soreness?
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pretty much all of them. But how about that GGB shot?

Back Pain GIF by memecandy
 
ThunderHorse said:
And I'm like...OMFG, do you know how many shots they gave me in the Army that gave me arm soreness?
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Thought that's how you get promoted in the Cav?


This essential vs non-essential is effectively creating first class and second class citizens regardless of your income.
 
As vehemently anti government I am, I am an educated person that's been a paramedic for at least half of my life. I also listened to physicians I trust regarding the science of this shit.

So, I got my first dose of the Phizer vaccine. I'm going to pick up PEZ and I'll start foaming at the mouth, acting rabid on social media.

Unfortunately, this is the norm for me, so, not sure how convincing that would be.

Regarding science of this: its not a live virus or bacteria like many vaccines. Its a natural protein that causes a spike, explained yo me as, knocking on the door of the virus to allow entrance, works with natural immunity and contains no chemicals. The science has been around for this since 2002, SARS but since we had to pandemic or disease to use the science on, was not worth doing further studies till now.

If yall want, I'll let you know if any symptoms from vaccine starts, though, all I know getting it, deny any.
 

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