Then it won't be "Ranger School", will it?
Females in Ranger School
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Then it won't be "Ranger School", will it?
Male Snatch is 247, female Snatch is 144 on average.. that means the females can snatch 58% of what the men can.
Male Clean and Jerk is 309 on average, and the female average is 178. Females clean and jerk 57% of what the men can.
Male Dead lift 508 on average, and the female average is 304. Females on average deadlift 59% of what the men can.
Average male weight is 194, average female weight is 137.. that means females weigh about 30% less then men, but lift less then 40% of their male counterparts. It's not a weight issue.. its anatomy. It's not a proportionate ratio of how much they weigh vs how much they lift compared to the men. There is a discrepency. They simply don't have the ability.
I say send them to Ranger School... without lowering the standards and see how they do. In reality... 99.99% of women on the same standards as men at RS will fail. 70 pound ruck and carrying the 240B? That's 100 pounds on a person that weights 140 pounds on average. Give me a fucking break.
Agreed: I think we read the same study! I found one on the British military who kept the same standards during a "trial" with the results you mentioned above. In the end in 2001 they kept the ban on women serving in combat units.
I say send them to Ranger School... without lowering the standards and see how they do. In reality... 99.99% of women on the same standards as men at RS will fail. 70 pound ruck and carrying the 240B? That's 100 pounds on a person that weights 140 pounds on average. Give me a fucking break.[/quote]
And that is but one of the many objective standards as defined by the responsibility and the equipment. I was a bottom feeder Grunt nothing special (JOE) and as many of us know you end up carrying allot of junk a long way. Sometimes allot of junk you may need but never use. But its all required for the mission. The dragon gunners, squad, platoon gunners and mortar guys even more. These are just the tip of the ice-berg. Not to even discuss the many other considerations.
And that is but one of the many objective standards as defined by the responsibility and the equipment. I was a bottom feeder Grunt nothing special (JOE) and as many of us know you end up carrying allot of junk a long way. Sometimes allot of junk you may need but never use. But its all required for the mission. The dragon gunners, squad, platoon gunners and mortar guys even more. These are just the tip of the ice-berg. Not to even discuss the many other considerations.
Ranger School is not that hard, the course actually gets annoying after some time (I was on the 5 month plan). There is a minimum standard and it is not very hard to attain. There are tons of less than physically stellar individuals who have completed the course. Women probably won't pass at the same rate as men but they will pass.
Holy fuck, I read this without looking at the attachment and was scared. I was like damn females on average are deadlifting 304...I need to go lift more weights.
that chart was for the Crossfit Games competitors haha
dirtmover
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Sapper school has been allowing females in since 1999. I had the honor of serving with the first female to be awarded the Sapper tab CPT Hicks. She was pretty badass when we were in 864th together. The standards are the same males and females...carrying the 240 and whatnot. Nobody pops out of the womb grabbing a 90lbs ruck sack and taking off running, you had to build up to it. Last year I was up to a 70lbs ruck with only working at it maybe 3 weeks off and on.
The whole argument about the increase in sexual assault...well a fucking predator is a fucking predator no matter how you cut it, if it’s not someone who is in your unit then it’s someone else, they are a stain on the army and should be dealt with. Now if you are talking about something that starts consensual and then one party throws the flag well that can happen at anytime and anywhere so just make them sign a release form with witnesses, two forms of ID and a DNA sample.
The whole argument about the increase in sexual assault...well a fucking predator is a fucking predator no matter how you cut it, if it’s not someone who is in your unit then it’s someone else, they are a stain on the army and should be dealt with. Now if you are talking about something that starts consensual and then one party throws the flag well that can happen at anytime and anywhere so just make them sign a release form with witnesses, two forms of ID and a DNA sample.
Got my attention too! I was dead lifting 275 the other day. Got some work to do!
ThunderHorse
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So the word from my roommate who graduated MAN School Friday, having made it all the way through on one shot he said that it was luck and said nothing about him as a leader. However, supposedly the 8 Women they were going to send to IBOLC were specially selected girls from Hudson River Valley High School are already there...but my friends that just started IBOLC have made no mention of women.
But the word on the block for Ranger School is that these females will be trained up to specifically meet the standards of MAN School, and that they will have a 50% or higher pass rate. Which is already 17 to 20% higher than the normal graduation rate of 33%. He said it's gonna be just like when VMI admitted females...so the Men that earned their tabs before the admittance of women will recall it..."Last Class with Balls..." as the class of 2000 calls themselves.
But the word on the block for Ranger School is that these females will be trained up to specifically meet the standards of MAN School, and that they will have a 50% or higher pass rate. Which is already 17 to 20% higher than the normal graduation rate of 33%. He said it's gonna be just like when VMI admitted females...so the Men that earned their tabs before the admittance of women will recall it..."Last Class with Balls..." as the class of 2000 calls themselves.
Brill
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ThunderHorse
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They really do have websites for everything don't they...
I think you may be the first person in the history of ever to say this.
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Bravos are some sick phuks. Remind me of submariners!
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fucking epic, thread just hit rock bottom. Sweet...
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That song was made by a bunch of SWTG students.
Like I said there is a minimum standard and it is no secret, certainly you must get the approval of your walker (RI). Most can argue "well you recycled twice, I thought you said it wasn't that hard". Well fack I was a private with less than a year being in my unit and my lack of maturity got the best of me at school. With that said I still outperformed NCOs and Officers with far more experience than I. Don't get me wrong the suck factor is pretty good but you are not doing anything really that advanced. You are conducting basic task that are complicated by the environment, and the lack of sleep and food.
