National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (please review page 1)

Cookie_ said:
And full clarity;

I make these comments as someone who fully understands that our rights are not unlimited, and that we need to have the ability to regulate actions.

but if you allow overreach because you agree with it in that instance you've allowed overreach in all instances.
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This is where we differ and I think many others would agree. In this particular instance, not the gun debate, not COVID-19, we're talking about about restoring order in a country that is losing hope. It's a debate that's had when the smoke clears. Right now, we need someone on the wall that's willing to make the call.
 
GOTWA said:
This is where we differ and I think many others would agree. In this particular instance, not the gun debate, not COVID-19, we're talking about about restoring order in a country that is losing hope. It's a debate that's had when the smoke clears. Right now, we need someone on the wall that's willing to make the call.
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I'm talking specifically about the video of police shooting people with paint/rubber rounds for standing on their porch (which the order allowed) or stuff like CSPD last night closing off a road for protestors (who had a permit) and then declaring it and unlawful protest and gassing them before even finishing with the order to disperse.

"Restoring order" should never become leeway for trampling all rights. Because "restoring order" or "protecting the community" are pretty broad categories.

I'm for getting things back to normal, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to call out things that seem like powergrabs.
 
SaintKP said:
Open question to everyone here, if it's ok to declare our constitutional rights null and void. Then when is it?

What happened to slippery slopes?
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To expand, when 9/11 happened we agreed to the Patriot Act hand over fist, even though once emotions cooled we realized immediately how wrong we were to do that.

We have a history of seeing a short term problem and coming up with a nuclear option to fix it. Without thinking about the long term and secondary effects of our choices.

I agree something needs to be done right now, but what is happening to people who have been following the law isn't it. I don't know what the answer is to the problem, but I don't feel this is the right way.
 
J. said:
On your own property, filming legally, not breaking the law. I don’t care if a cop says get inside, there is no cause for force. Paint rounds is irrelevant, still a probability of bodily harm.

I dont think all cops are bad, but how much further are we gonna go defending, defending, defending them until we admit they have a systemic issue. I’m not implying they are all bad, or corrupt. I do believe there is a training issue, I think there is a mentality issue, and when a cop on your street says “Light me’ up” at your home while on your front porch, it leads me to believe there’s an ego issue.
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Curfew means inside, so they were actually breaking a law.
 
Well, a colleague of HH6 sent a photo of her living room window. She lives in a lower end apartment complex near the government core (she normally walks to work), brick went through her front window last night. These dickheads are now attacking homes and apartments of the very people they claim to be protesting for.
 
RackMaster said:
And now this. About time Antifa made the list.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1267129644228247552
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So I can't find a list of designated domestic terrorist organizations. Is there one, or would this be the first?

If we're starting one, migh as well just chuck all the other "terroristic" groups (Aryan Nation, ALF, KKK, etc) on there as well.

I say this because, even though I'm not a Trump guy, if he doesn't make this seem apolitical it will blow up in his face.
Designating ANTIFA alone is going to open the floodgates of prime "whataboutism" and further reinforce the "Trump supports white hate groups" narrative.
 
ThunderHorse said:
Well, a colleague of HH6 sent a photo of her living room window. She lives in a lower end apartment complex near the government core (she normally walks to work), brick went through her front window last night. These dickheads are now attacking homes and apartments of the very people they claim to be protesting for.
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Colleague went out to join the clean up. The PHX PD Wives network is out cleaning up DT PHX.
 
Cookie_ said:
So I can't find a list of designated domestic terrorist organizations. Is there one, or would this be the first?

If we're starting one, migh as well just chuck all the other "terroristic" groups (Aryan Nation, ALF, KKK, etc) on there as well.

I say this because, even though I'm not a Trump guy, if he doesn't make this seem apolitical it will blow up in his face.
Designating ANTIFA alone is going to open the floodgates of prime "whataboutism" and further reinforce the "Trump supports white hate groups" narrative.
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How is that when most of the ANTIFA movement is white?
 
Cookie_ said:
So I can't find a list of designated domestic terrorist organizations. Is there one, or would this be the first?

If we're starting one, migh as well just chuck all the other "terroristic" groups (Aryan Nation, ALF, KKK, etc) on there as well.

I say this because, even though I'm not a Trump guy, if he doesn't make this seem apolitical it will blow up in his face.
Designating ANTIFA alone is going to open the floodgates of prime "whataboutism" and further reinforce the "Trump supports white hate groups" narrative.
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There was already a white supremist group declared the same.

U.S. designates Russian white supremacist group as terrorist organization

And the list is probably here some where.

Terrorist Designations and State Sponsors of Terrorism - United States Department of State
 

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