I highly doubt that. Neither one of us will know if we're right unless it actually happens, but arguments about wives being murdered for $20 and a mass creation of new addicts are over the top IMHO.
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I highly doubt that. Neither one of us will know if we're right unless it actually happens, but arguments about wives being murdered for $20 and a mass creation of new addicts are over the top IMHO.
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Come on dude. Are Colorado, Washington and Oregon descending into chaos? Legalizing drugs is one step of multiple. Legalizing marijuana is a decent first step.
That has been shown to be patently false. I posted a link to the study of Portugal's legalization, and it showed the opposite of what you are saying. That is over almost 15 years of data, versus your totally non researched personal opinion.
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I'm not one to preach morality, but here is something I've noticed. Ever since they legalized marijuana in Colorado, things have been going downhill for some of the poorer cities. There has been a rise in homeless people who have migrating into the state, along with the pot loving trash (yuppies). The less affluent newcomers end up taxing already depleted city resources, while bringing their problems from back home. While the yuppies create their own little enclaves. Those with money and good sense leave the deteriorating neighborhoods, and cluster together with the yuppies in the new communities.
From what I've seen, culture is what ultimately decides whether or not an individual is going to be successful or not. I don't really see a difference between the skin tone of the yuppies and addicts. The difference I've noticed, is within their cultural identities. Either born with or adopted. Culture can either help you float to the top or drown you. Depending on whether or not, it fits in with societal expectations and values.
At the end of the day though, people are the ones who make their own decisions. Not culture. While people may be shaped by culture, they are not slaves to it. BLM is a perfect example of what a toxic culture is.
This wasn't directed at you Kraut783, just thought I'd expand on something that came to mind.
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No worries...I welcome any insight and thoughts, as I said, very curious how those states work it out.
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Chaos? For the affluent parts, no. The poorer parts of the city have had an influx of what some might consider undesirables. My old neighborhood now has an influx of homeless people. It's gotten to the point that they'll break into foreclosed homes to create drug dens. Mainly what I've seen, is that marijuana has noticeably stratified the haves and have nots. While leaving the locals in the middle to clean up the mess.
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How is the uptake in homeless related?
Genuine question, not facetious.
Genuine question, not facetious.
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Legalization brought an influx of people into Colorado. Not all of them moneyed. Those that came to the state with money, invested in land or property. While the poor and addicts drifted into the ghettos and blighted parts of town. Essentially making things worse.
Edit: I guess it kind of goes hand in hand with culture. In how it differently affects segments of society that share a common theme.
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I think you are mistaking yuppie and hippie. Yuppies are not the pot smoking types.
There are a bunch of homeless pot addicts roaming the streets now that pot is legal? legal weed is not cheap at all. The taxes are very high, and it is a cash only business. Do you think marijuana is so addicting that if homeless you would cross the country to go to a place where it is legal? That shows an awful lot of initiative to smoke super expensive weed, when it is available everywhere else for very cheap. That also seems to fail to account for the fact that many homeless have mental health issues, and addictions to way more serious drugs than pot.
There are a bunch of homeless pot addicts roaming the streets now that pot is legal? legal weed is not cheap at all. The taxes are very high, and it is a cash only business. Do you think marijuana is so addicting that if homeless you would cross the country to go to a place where it is legal? That shows an awful lot of initiative to smoke super expensive weed, when it is available everywhere else for very cheap. That also seems to fail to account for the fact that many homeless have mental health issues, and addictions to way more serious drugs than pot.
This time next year we'll have an idea what will happen on a National level. Our government is due to release their plans for legalization in time for 420.
That's the naivety or ignorance of the whole push for legalization. Possession is legal, so they migrate, can't afford the legal product and have a hate on for "The Man" to begin with. So they still buy from the illegal drug trade. The black market doesn't go away, if anything it expands due to high costs of legal products.
Same BS idea behind gun laws. The criminal element will always be there and find a way to thrive. Booze and cigarettes are legal; yet the black market is thriving.
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“Of the new [homeless] kids we’re seeing, the majority are saying they’re here because of the weed."
Legal pot blamed for some of influx of homeless in Denver this summer
Legal marijuana drawing homeless to Colorado
Marijuana Legalization In Colorado: How Recreational Weed Is Attracting People, But Spiking The State’s Homeless Rate [PART ONE]
Legal pot blamed for some of influx of homeless in Denver this summer
Legal marijuana drawing homeless to Colorado
Marijuana Legalization In Colorado: How Recreational Weed Is Attracting People, But Spiking The State’s Homeless Rate [PART ONE]
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As far as cocaine and heroin- no good will come of that.
I'd think that the legalization of marijuana would largely result in swapping one problem set for another.
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From what I've seen, the yuppies are the moneyed professionals that come to Colorado. They either buy land or create their own little communes near the cities. The hippies I've seen can somehow afford land up in the mountains. For the most part, these well heeled out of staters, are coming in from the East and West Coast.
As for the homeless procuring pot, theft and larceny have become pretty common. The neighborhood I grew up in has gotten to the point where kids no longer go out to play. Meanwhile the police force there is stretched out pretty thin. They've got to contend with increased gang and other criminal activities. Heck, my mother was telling me that the DEA task force in the city, are doing show and tell presentations at the local schools. Something about showing off their helicopter and gear to raise awareness, and doing Q&A for the kids.
It's gotten to the point that before I left, I bought my mother a handgun. One of my buddies ran her through a CCW class so she could get her permit. The working class neighborhoods have become a dumping ground.
Dude!!! I've noticed that for the well to do, legalization isn't a bad deal. The problem is that they don't have to live in working class neighborhoods. Their streets don't get flooded with the the less affluent newcomers. Newcomers that bring all their baggage and social problems with them. For the most part they close themselves off in their own little hamlets. While the cities have to deal with an increase in population that strain thinly stretched public resources.
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I agree but to a point since right and wrong become societal norms and deviance from those norms are made illegal. Perhaps as a way to correct behavior but also to penalize and segregate those who decide to ignore society in order to go their own way.
If the majority of (insert state) want X and the harm can be isolated to that group, fine. Colorado's weed legalization is affecting surrounding states and I think they have legitimate concern.
Yes but frankly it should be unscheduled Federally and regulate major production. If we're going to permit simple possession, then personal production should be permitted.
The same thing happened here with medical marijuana. Sure it's legal but only if purchased through specific licensed producers and at a premium. No insurance company will cover the cost and those that really need it don't have insurance anyway. So they rely on grey market compassion clubs and black market where clubs aren't available. Then throw in the Federal legalization plans, it will still be highly regulated and taxed. No one that currently buys on the black market wants to give the government anymore money, I doubt spending habits will change. And that just continues funding organized crime.
Empirical evidence would suggest otherwise.
My support for drug decriminalization/liberalization boils down to... does it cost more money to fight drugs with cops, or with doctors and social workers? Portugal is the only country that has ever shifted to that strategy. Drug usage went down.
The war on drugs is EXPENSIVE and accomplishes very little.
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Two things will change for sure:
Drug Dealers will be out of a job.
Drug Companies will have happy stockholders.
There will still be drug related crimes, and the number of addicts will settle in at about what we currently are seeing.
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Hard agree. Expensive not only in money, but in time, resources, and blood.
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