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Blair: Right or wrong on this issue?
Blair: Right or wrong on this issue?
Tony Blair: "The Problem Within Islam"
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He has valid points across the board but after reading the article the one point he doesn't fully ddress is how to handle the situation. He claims education is a good start(which is an important factor) but what happens when the students go home to their parents that hate western ideology and completely contradict what the kids learn in school? The extremist Muslims embrace death were as other religions embrace life. Fighting a war against an extreme idea can be a forever lasting war. Unless you consider genocide.
Oh yeah I thought it was bull shit about bringing up the Iraq War stuff. There was extremist way before the war.
ZM
Oh yeah I thought it was bull shit about bringing up the Iraq War stuff. There was extremist way before the war.
ZM
I think there is always going to be a problem when you have people who believe gods come and tell them to do things, or when they have holy scripture saying they are allowed to do X, Y, and Z and it's all VERY open to interpretation. All the while contradicting itself and making unfounded claims.
The problem with all religion is that it's protected a lot from criticism. We can start there...
The problem with all religion is that it's protected a lot from criticism. We can start there...
1st and second rules in problem solving are to admit/identify the problem, this is a start.
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IF the rest of his country will listen to him... While I won't sit here and complain about what is clearly forward progress on the issue, it's a single voice, and one no longer in office. I only hope it doesn't fall on deaf ears.
Agree, but he said what many think.
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The Iraq part was flat out stupid for obvious reasons and you cant even compare other religous extremisims.. take away "tribal" type violence that you see in Africa or the like. I dont even know if that compares as far as directly connecting the dots between violent acts and the religon theyre committed in the name of.
What pisses me off the most is the denial exhibited by other Muslims... Police your own or suffer the consequences they bring upon you. It may not be "right" but it IS reality..
What pisses me off the most is the denial exhibited by other Muslims... Police your own or suffer the consequences they bring upon you. It may not be "right" but it IS reality..
What makes you say that? Ideology is Ideology and violent ideology regardless if it's based in something secular, racial, or anything else... requires the same attention with minimal tuning for the specific issue... and they've been ignoring it wholeheartedly, instead offering compliance, complacence, and compromise when they're interacting with an element of society as a whole that will take every inch you give them and try to run a mile with it after beheading the referee.
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Which part?
Everything I quoted. I think that you're over-complicating the basis, focus, and instigation of violence as a whole. The only major difference between racial/tribal conflict and conflict with a religious basis is that racial/tribal conflict is actually based in something that is tactile.
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There was, but the war in Iraq made being a jihadi popular and much more convenient (and comfortable) than traveling to AFG to fight.
While it is great that Blair has actually addressed this issue, no one will have his back on it. He will be lambasted, dubbed a racist, and society will move on and no one will say anything until the west sees another IED, beheading, etc.
True... I agree with you on that one.
What do you think it will take for the West to finally act legitimately?
Contries "being taken over" by Islamists.
They gain enough of a foothold to start getting Sharia based laws implimented.
It'll be too late (it may be too late) then.
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I think Europe will almost be overrun before they start to act decisively. Either that or a situation where they have a legitimate insurgency within their borders.
They opened Pandora's box when they allowed Muslims to flock in swarms to their respective countries IMO.
The USA isn't imune either, we will have serious trouble here sooner or later.
As Ive said before, I'm waiting for a US serviceman to be executed on US soil by Jihadis. It will happen, just a matter of time.
They opened Pandora's box when they allowed Muslims to flock in swarms to their respective countries IMO.
The USA isn't imune either, we will have serious trouble here sooner or later.
As Ive said before, I'm waiting for a US serviceman to be executed on US soil by Jihadis. It will happen, just a matter of time.
The problem with Islam? Not enough bullets.
Surgical Cric? I'll buy that
For those I've lost, that used to be his avatar way back in the day. Tomorrow's throw back tuesday Cric! Maybe it's time to bring it back!
I think Europe will go fully Fascist before they completely lose control. It won't be a pretty though.
I think we should all take a leaf out of the Japanese book on Islam, avoid letting them in and don't encourage the fuckers who are there.
I think we should all take a leaf out of the Japanese book on Islam, avoid letting them in and don't encourage the fuckers who are there.
Hence the American problem.
Do we become a Socialist Nation (putting religious people in their place), or do we become an Islamic State (putting non-muslims in their place)?
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