Ukraine - Russia Conflict

[Box]

That’s a YUGE use of the word “IF”

If we had better political and military leaders we may not have found ourselves mired in someone else’s fight to begin with

More importantly - “IF” - we elected a more asymmetrical approach that kept us from spending 800 billion dollars a year, half of our crooked politicians would be ran out of office.
Not because “we the people” like meaningless endless wars - and choose to vote them out for not giving away all our money…

They’d be out of work because the defense contractors and industry executives that donate millions of dollars worth of campaign money would simply pay to install a more war friendly politician into the office because endless conflict (I believe the current pet name is ‘campaigning’) as a profitable foreign policy is awesome when you work for the non existent military industrial complex.

Besides, why push for peaceful solutions when the tax payer is too fucking stupid to realize that every single solitary talking head that comes on TV as a “special consultant” or “news contributor” or “former military commander” or “former intelligence expert” is only on TV to do three very specific things…

1) collect a paycheck for their TV appearance

2) sell the narrative for the company that they work for that is making millions from endless conflict as a profitable foreign policy

3) help legitimize continued involvement in other peoples problems thereby further legitimizing endless conflict as a profitable foreign policy

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

Also, there are many Europeans who probably laugh at our gun violence and our unwillingness to spend more money on social services like subsidized housing etc.

I was thinking today about the reaction Trump got from European leaders when he talked about them spending more on defense and possibly leaving NATO if they didn't pony up.

The reaction was fierce if IIRC.

 

[AWP]

Also, there are many Europeans who probably laugh at our gun violence and our unwillingness to spend more money on social services like subsidized housing etc.

I was thinking today about the reaction Trump got from European leaders when he talked about them spending more on defense and possibly leaving NATO if they didn't pony up.

The reaction was fierce if IIRC.

Everyone wants the US to pay (like we've done for years) while enjoying the benefits, but also criticizing the US. The playbook is decades old. Remember Serbia/Bosnia and that mess? We had to step in because European governments couldn't/ wouldn't do anything in their own backyards. A few years ago the French had to intervene in Mali...but couldn't do so without US help. The NATO mission in Afghanistan was paid for by the US. Sure, other nations sent troops, but how were those troops paid, equipped, housed, etc.?

The US paid for all of that. Even the other countries' hazard pay. We paid for ALL of it, foreign governments rode our teat in Afghanistan.

And us footing the bill for the Ukraine while other nations balk?

Yeah, nah, they can go fuck themselves and their "righteousness."

 

[amlove21]

Wait is this war thing still happening?! Wild.

 

[AWP]

Wait is this war thing still happening?! Wild.

Don't worry your pretty little head about it. The Russians could smoke a Rivet Joint (see what I did there?) and the local Starbucks would know before the rescue community. That's our current gov't as you well know.

 

[amlove21]

Don't worry your pretty little head about it. The Russians could smoke a Rivet Joint (see what I did there?) and the local Starbucks would know before the rescue community. That's our current gov't as you well know.

The fuck is a rivet joint? THE FUCK IS A RESCUE COMMUNITY?!?

 

[ThunderHorse]

So we were already at War of Survival mode. Well now we're in Holy War mode.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1662451731261796353

 

[GOTWA]

They have not one transgender in that formation. They'll never win.

 

[DA SWO]

So we were already at War of Survival mode. Well now we're in Holy War mode.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1662451731261796353

Don't downplay the religion aspect. Stronger there than it is here.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Don't downplay the religion aspect. Stronger there than it is here.

Oh I'm not downplaying it at all. We have lost our way in faith in this country. Those folks are pretty devout, so I was being serious.

 

[ThunderHorse]

So Jack Murphy has been spouting on the twitter for weeks saying we have cells in Russia doing shit. Let's say it's our cells doing this shit and not some Ukrainians with Russian passports that speak fluently. What's the purpose of us doing that? Because these dudes get caught, they'll probably be sent back in a vulgar fashion. Hope they have no friends or families then if they are ours.

 

[AWP]

So Jack Murphy has been spouting on the twitter for weeks saying we have cells in Russia doing shit. Let's say it's our cells doing this shit and not some Ukrainians with Russian passports that speak fluently. What's the purpose of us doing that? Because these dudes get caught, they'll probably be sent back in a vulgar fashion. Hope they have no friends or families then if they are ours.

Jack Murphy w/ legacy guests? Cool.

Jack Murphy with current events? Clown shoes.

 

[Marauder06]

Jack Murphy? Clown shoes.

 

[AWP]

It looks like Russia successfully attacked a dam it already controls.

Ukraine accuses Russia of destroying major dam near Kherson, warns of ecological disaster

 

[Box]

A line from the article made me think...
"The question we should pose is why the Ukrainians would do this to themselves, given this is Ukrainian territory,”

The answer I might give is because it would also hurt the Russians' ability to operate freely without having to pay added attention to ALL of their logistics trails. It would also give the global "Go-Fund-Ukraine" effort motivation to earmark even MORE money to help Ukraine rebuild critical infrastructure. (Rebuilt using billions and billions of taxpayer dollars on all sorts of government contract that happen to provide profit and service to the global elite investment portfolios).

Or it could be because Russia doesn't think like the rest of the world and doesn't mind destroying everything in their path because it isn't their shit to begin with.
Short term?
Sure - it might cause Russia some logistical discomfort in the region - but its still Ukrainian damage on Ukrainian soil - and THAT is the price you must pay for resisting m0tHeR rUs$iA !!!
Long term ??
Its Ukraine, fuck 'em - Chernobyl was in Ukraine and what was the loss?
100 people or so? Some mildly inconvenient environmental damage? Some displaced and disfigured wildlife?
What self respecting dirty Cossack gives two fucks about six eyed fish, duck billed children, and uninhabitable swatches of land?
-It's Ukraine and they resisted the motherland!!!

Otherwise, "what difference, at this point does it make?"

 

[Gordus]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1665726454775046144

 

[Marauder06]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1665726454775046144

lol--this is some Jussie Smollett level of clown-shoes staging.

"How are we going to blame this on the Americans?"

...

"I know... we'll grab a random boot that anyone can get and drop it near the attack site. Totally believable."

 

[DA SWO]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1665726454775046144

LOL, wrong boot for that depth.

 

[Gordus]

Can’t make this up lol

 

[CQB]

Caught something in the paper today so excuse the paraphrase; Russian troops vacated the eastern bank two days ago in what appears to be a deliberate withdrawal. Time of the flood looks to coincide with the long awaited Ukraine offensive as it makes the Ukraine side difficult to maneuver. Additionally as Russia has destroyed Ukraine manufacturing & critical infrastructure & the country was relying on grain exports for 70% of income, those fields are now flooded. There are other complex issues around grain exports locally involving Hungary & Poland, but brain box can’t recall those clearly. Russian grain exports of course unaffected.