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Ukraine has started to retake Severodonetsk. But what are you retaking, I guess.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/04/russia-ukraine-war-putin-news-live-updates/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/04/russia-ukraine-war-putin-news-live-updates/
Now this is entertaining.
Not looking good for any foreigners caught.
Foreign fighters sentenced to death in separatist-held Ukraine
Foreign fighters sentenced to death in separatist-held Ukraine
Well, did you expect anything different? I wouldn't if I had my skin in the game. Fortunately for them and my family, my passport is suspended...
Well, did you expect anything different? I wouldn't if I had my skin in the game. Fortunately for them and my family, my passport is suspended...
From my perspective, they are going after them because at least one of the Brits have a bog social media following. They also released many of the Azov guy's captured with the Brits. They could have easily put the former Canadian General on "trial', instead he's disappeared to Moscow. They get a bigger demoralizing effect on the younger, social media savvy, international fighters and potential fighters.
This is pretty long but is an excellent cross section of Ukrainian's. It definitely shows how their different generational and financial status; affects their perception of Russia.
I'd be surprised if any death sentences are actually carried out. Foreign POWs are valuable for bargaining and propaganda. In the old Soviet playbook Western captives are exploited, not executed. And it's old Soviet Putin calling the shots in the DPR.
Which is why we haven't heard anything about the Canadian, they are holding onto that card. But these Brits are in Ukrainian separatist hands, there's definitely a different mentality in Ukraine; no matter the side of the conflict. Unless it's controlled by the Russians, like Kherson in that video I just posted. The Russians released a lot of the Azov guy's that surrendered. And now are offering passports/citizenship to anyone in occupied region's.
‘A difficult and painful question’: Ukraine ponders how to punish collaborators
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This is a war of attrition and Russia has a lot more of its own people and equipment to loose, Ukraine is running their war essentially as a charity, a charity that has a limited budget and an even more limited interest in seeing a successful conclusion to events. The Russians have between 10-15 times more artillery than Ukraine does, and this war is all about artillery and drones. I don’t know anyone who has even seen a Russian vehicle in person, let alone a Russian, this is being mostly fought from afar. It’s akin to WW1, units are moving to the front, occupying or digging trenches, then sitting under artillery fire until they withdraw, once they withdraw the Russian tanks roll forward, if they meet opposition, they withdraw and the Russian arty goes to work again. The Ukrainians are inept at warfare, thankfully the Russians are even worse. Most of the Ukrainian successes are due to the Russians simply leaving or not really wanting to hold an area and letting it be taken. The Russians are grinding the Ukrainians down, slowly but surely.
The photo is what the Russians are doing with artillery…
The photo is what the Russians are doing with artillery…
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Wow. So it sounds like years...eventual Russian victory...and most of the country looking like Verdun 1918? Very much appreciate you shedding some light on things. Can't believe a goddamn thing coming from either side. Cheers
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Yes I guarantee this is gonna drag on for years, Putin isn’t going to give up on Donbas and he sure as hell isn’t gonna give up Crimea and that means the land bridge to Crimea along with it. I would say there’s A good chance of a stalemate once Russia takes Donbas, Putin may give up the west side of the Dnipro and just settle in permanently in Donbass and the aforementioned areas. If NATO gets involved they will clean up the Russians quickly and easily, providing of course it doesn’t go nuclear, if Putin leaves for whatever reason that may help, I emphasize MAY. The Ukrainian people are cool and they are free, however the politicians and officials in general are corrupt and inept, though there is a movement in the country to rectify that. They simply don’t deserve what is happening to them, Russia needs to be punished and punished severely for what they are doing, however we all know what happened after the treaty of Versailles…
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In re: to attrition, I agree. I read a report the other day where the Ukrainians they're losing 200 troops per day. Russia appears to be doing at least the same. But, as noted in the post above, the Russians simply have more bodies to lose...and apparently willing to do so.
The ADD general public seems to be moving on to the next shiny object as well, which doesn't help the Ukrainians either.
The ADD general public seems to be moving on to the next shiny object as well, which doesn't help the Ukrainians either.
Nope. And that's why at the end of the day, the person (or, at the nation-state level, the people) ultimately responsible for your safety and security is... you. You can't count on other .govs helping you in any meaningful way against other .govs, you can't count on your government to protect you from your fellow citizens, or from itself.
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SITREP 14JUN2022
“EUROPE NEWS
JUNE 14, 2022 / 01:37 AM
No way out for Ukrainians in embattled city as Russian forces destroy last bridge
KYIV (Reuters) -Russian forces cut off all routes for evacuating citizens from the eastern Ukrainian city of Sievierodonetsk by destroying the last bridge linking it to a Ukrainian held city on the other side of the river, a Ukrainian official said.
Russian troops were “trying to gain a foothold in the central part of city”, the Ukrainian military said on Tuesday in its daily roundup of the conflict in various parts of the country.
“The situation in Sievierodonetsk is extremely aggravated - the Russians are destroying high-rise buildings and Azot,” Serhiy Gaidai, governor of the Luhansk region, said in a post on Telegram. A day earlier he said hundreds of civilians were sheltering in the grounds of the Azot chemical plant, which had been shelled by Russian forces.
Ukraine has issued increasingly urgent calls for more Western heavy weapons to help defend Sievierodonetsk, which Kyiv says could hold the key to the battle for the eastern Donbas region and the course of the war, now in its fourth month.
On Monday Gaidai had said on social media that some 70% of the city was under enemy control, and the destruction of the last bridge across the river to the twin city of Lysychansk meant any civilians still in Sievierodonetsk were trapped, and it was impossible to deliver humanitarian supplies.
The latest Ukrainian military situation report was filled with forboding over Russian forces building up in several parts of the Donbas.
It reported the enemy was “creating conditions for the development of the offensive on Sloviansk”, and an offensive on the towns of Lyman, Yampil and Siversk - all west of Sievierodonetsk and Lysychansk.
Late on Monday, President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said the battle for the eastern Donbas would go down as one of the most brutal in European history. The region, comprising the provinces of Luhansk and Donetsk, is claimed by Russian separatists.
“For us, the price of this battle is very high. It is just scary,” he said.
“We draw the attention of our partners daily to the fact that only a sufficient number of modern artillery for Ukraine will ensure our advantage.”
Russia’s main goal is to protect Donetsk and Luhansk, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said on Monday, after the leader of one of the separatist regions asked for additional forces from Moscow.
Ukraine needs 1,000 howitzers, 500 tanks and 1,000 drones among other heavy weapons, Presidential Adviser Mykhailo Podolyak said on Monday.
Moscow issued the latest of several recent reports saying it had destroyed U.S. and European arms and equipment.
Russia’s defence ministry said high-precision air-based missiles had struck near the railway station in Udachne northwest of Donetsk, hitting equipment that had been delivered to Ukrainian forces.
Ukraine’s interior ministry on Telegram said that Udachne had been hit by a Russian strike overnight Sunday into Monday, without mentioning whether weapons had been targeted.
Moscow has criticised the United States and other nations for sending Ukraine weapons and has threatened to strike new targets if the West supplied long-range missiles.
The European Commission will recommend granting Ukraine official status as an EU candidate country, Politico reported late on Monday, citing several unnamed officials.
Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said on Saturday that the EU executive’s opinion on Ukraine’s request to join would be ready by the end of this week.
MARIUPOL AGAIN?
Russia’s RIA news agency quoted a pro-Moscow separatist spokesperson Eduard Basurin as saying Ukrainian troops were effectively cut off in Sievierodonetsk and should surrender or die.
The situation risked becoming like Mariupol, “with a large pocket of Ukrainian defenders cut off from the rest of the Ukrainian troops”, according to Damien Magrou, spokesperson for the International Legion for the Defence of Ukraine that has had forces in Sievierodonetsk.
During the fall of Mariupol last month, hundreds of civilians and badly wounded Ukrainian soldiers were trapped for weeks in the Azovstal steelworks.
Russia has denied targeting civilians in what it calls a “special operation” to restore Russian security and “denazify” its neighbour.
Ukraine and its Western allies call this a baseless pretext for an invasion which has killed thousands of civilians and raised fears of wider conflict in Europe.
More than 5 million people have fled and the world has been hit by a food and energy crisis, dividing Western nations over how to handle it.
After failing to take the capital Kyiv following the Feb. 24 invasion, Moscow focused on expanding control in the Donbas, where pro-Russian separatists have held territory since 2014. Russia has also tried to capture more of Ukraine’s Black Sea coast.
“The entire front is being subjected to constant shelling,” Donetsk regional governor Pavlo Kyrylenko told Ukrainian TV on Monday evening.
The towns of Maryinka, Krasnohorivka, Vuhledar were hit in the coal-producing belt and Avdiivka, home to a big coking plant, he said.
Officials in the Russian-backed separatist-controlled Donetsk region said at least three people, including a child, were killed and 18 were wounded by Ukrainian shelling that hit a market in Donetsk city.
The Donetsk News Agency showed pictures of burning stalls at the central Maisky market and several bodies on the ground. The news agency said 155-mm calibre NATO-standard artillery munitions hit parts of the region on Monday.
Russian news agencies reported a shell had fallen on amaternity hospital in Donetsk, triggering a fire andprompting staff to send patients into the basement.
Reuters could not independently verify the reports. There has been no immediate reaction from Kyiv to the reports.”
“EUROPE NEWS
JUNE 14, 2022 / 01:37 AM
No way out for Ukrainians in embattled city as Russian forces destroy last bridge
KYIV (Reuters) -Russian forces cut off all routes for evacuating citizens from the eastern Ukrainian city of Sievierodonetsk by destroying the last bridge linking it to a Ukrainian held city on the other side of the river, a Ukrainian official said.
Russian troops were “trying to gain a foothold in the central part of city”, the Ukrainian military said on Tuesday in its daily roundup of the conflict in various parts of the country.
“The situation in Sievierodonetsk is extremely aggravated - the Russians are destroying high-rise buildings and Azot,” Serhiy Gaidai, governor of the Luhansk region, said in a post on Telegram. A day earlier he said hundreds of civilians were sheltering in the grounds of the Azot chemical plant, which had been shelled by Russian forces.
Ukraine has issued increasingly urgent calls for more Western heavy weapons to help defend Sievierodonetsk, which Kyiv says could hold the key to the battle for the eastern Donbas region and the course of the war, now in its fourth month.
On Monday Gaidai had said on social media that some 70% of the city was under enemy control, and the destruction of the last bridge across the river to the twin city of Lysychansk meant any civilians still in Sievierodonetsk were trapped, and it was impossible to deliver humanitarian supplies.
The latest Ukrainian military situation report was filled with forboding over Russian forces building up in several parts of the Donbas.
It reported the enemy was “creating conditions for the development of the offensive on Sloviansk”, and an offensive on the towns of Lyman, Yampil and Siversk - all west of Sievierodonetsk and Lysychansk.
Late on Monday, President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said the battle for the eastern Donbas would go down as one of the most brutal in European history. The region, comprising the provinces of Luhansk and Donetsk, is claimed by Russian separatists.
“For us, the price of this battle is very high. It is just scary,” he said.
“We draw the attention of our partners daily to the fact that only a sufficient number of modern artillery for Ukraine will ensure our advantage.”
Russia’s main goal is to protect Donetsk and Luhansk, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said on Monday, after the leader of one of the separatist regions asked for additional forces from Moscow.
Ukraine needs 1,000 howitzers, 500 tanks and 1,000 drones among other heavy weapons, Presidential Adviser Mykhailo Podolyak said on Monday.
Moscow issued the latest of several recent reports saying it had destroyed U.S. and European arms and equipment.
Russia’s defence ministry said high-precision air-based missiles had struck near the railway station in Udachne northwest of Donetsk, hitting equipment that had been delivered to Ukrainian forces.
Ukraine’s interior ministry on Telegram said that Udachne had been hit by a Russian strike overnight Sunday into Monday, without mentioning whether weapons had been targeted.
Moscow has criticised the United States and other nations for sending Ukraine weapons and has threatened to strike new targets if the West supplied long-range missiles.
The European Commission will recommend granting Ukraine official status as an EU candidate country, Politico reported late on Monday, citing several unnamed officials.
Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said on Saturday that the EU executive’s opinion on Ukraine’s request to join would be ready by the end of this week.
MARIUPOL AGAIN?
Russia’s RIA news agency quoted a pro-Moscow separatist spokesperson Eduard Basurin as saying Ukrainian troops were effectively cut off in Sievierodonetsk and should surrender or die.
The situation risked becoming like Mariupol, “with a large pocket of Ukrainian defenders cut off from the rest of the Ukrainian troops”, according to Damien Magrou, spokesperson for the International Legion for the Defence of Ukraine that has had forces in Sievierodonetsk.
During the fall of Mariupol last month, hundreds of civilians and badly wounded Ukrainian soldiers were trapped for weeks in the Azovstal steelworks.
Russia has denied targeting civilians in what it calls a “special operation” to restore Russian security and “denazify” its neighbour.
Ukraine and its Western allies call this a baseless pretext for an invasion which has killed thousands of civilians and raised fears of wider conflict in Europe.
More than 5 million people have fled and the world has been hit by a food and energy crisis, dividing Western nations over how to handle it.
After failing to take the capital Kyiv following the Feb. 24 invasion, Moscow focused on expanding control in the Donbas, where pro-Russian separatists have held territory since 2014. Russia has also tried to capture more of Ukraine’s Black Sea coast.
“The entire front is being subjected to constant shelling,” Donetsk regional governor Pavlo Kyrylenko told Ukrainian TV on Monday evening.
The towns of Maryinka, Krasnohorivka, Vuhledar were hit in the coal-producing belt and Avdiivka, home to a big coking plant, he said.
Officials in the Russian-backed separatist-controlled Donetsk region said at least three people, including a child, were killed and 18 were wounded by Ukrainian shelling that hit a market in Donetsk city.
The Donetsk News Agency showed pictures of burning stalls at the central Maisky market and several bodies on the ground. The news agency said 155-mm calibre NATO-standard artillery munitions hit parts of the region on Monday.
Russian news agencies reported a shell had fallen on amaternity hospital in Donetsk, triggering a fire andprompting staff to send patients into the basement.
Reuters could not independently verify the reports. There has been no immediate reaction from Kyiv to the reports.”
“We draw the attention of our partners daily to the fact that only a sufficient number of modern artillery for Ukraine will ensure our advantage.”
First anti-tank missiles, now it's artillery to ensure advantage. Seems to be a retrograde dynamic here. What's next, muskets and sabres? Even more surprising to me than the logistics ineptitude, that a "modern" European war between a so-called Superpower and former Soviet-bloc country has come down to--as @pardus has pointed out and the dispatch confirms--this 1918 style of warfare.
First anti-tank missiles, now it's artillery to ensure advantage. Seems to be a retrograde dynamic here. What's next, muskets and sabres? Even more surprising to me than the logistics ineptitude, that a "modern" European war between a so-called Superpower and former Soviet-bloc country has come down to--as @pardus has pointed out and the dispatch confirms--this 1918 style of warfare.
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