A black beret with a 5th Group flash?
Are SFQC students allowed to have a Group flash during their school time?
Are SFQC students allowed to have a Group flash during their school time?
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^^^ thats why I ask the question, because of the point Ravage made.
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Nice RG31's!
Taliban are fucked! Transformers are on our side now!
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Those are all green berets, some are just alot darker than others. This is the donning ceremony so they are all brand new berets. They are switching them out with PC's not black berets, none of them would be wearing black because all of them are airborne qualified anyway.
Ah yes, RG31/33's... The perfect example of what SF guys should be driving....
Fine example of what almost 9 years of what the conventionally minded and risk averse leadership has brought us...
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Ah yes, RG31/33's... The perfect example of what SF guys should be driving....
Fine example of what almost 9 years of what the conventionally minded and risk averse leadership has brought us...
Surely As SF you get an input into what vehicles you require?
Can I ask Why you dislike the 31's?
Kind of hard to roll into a village and empathize with the locals, or get them to trust you, when you are in an MRAP and covered in body armor.
"We understand your safety concerns and will report back to our bosses. Ooops, time to hop into this tank on wheels and grip and grin for 30 minutes at the next village, Abdul. Don't sweat the IEDs or night letters, we've got your back. See you in 10 days."
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I see.. Thanks free.
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Cric/Free Why is SF operating this way? (not specifically meaning the vehicles) Why aren't SF teams living close to villages and truly getting involved immersed with the locals?
Directives from big Army? Does SF not have a say in the way it operates?
Forgive my ignorance, is SF a strategic asset or what?
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I see alot of pics of guys that I know, and that I am sure would not want their faces plastered all over this site. I persoanlly think we need some rules of engagement here. Posting pics of people you don't know is a little over the edge, regardless of where they are obtained.
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They are photos taken and released by the Military... They are no doubt on display on official websites right?
Not being in SF, I can't answer that.
I've heard....anecdotes here and there about the way some units conduct "COIN" and have watched first hand as one intelligence gathering unit went from local vehicles to "Hey! Hey! Look at me!!!!! I'm an American and this is my uparmored Suburban!!!!" to MRAPs. Guys and gals in the latter unit haven't quite put the dots together concerning the MRAPs.
Look at this way: you are Abdul Barak Hossein Pashtun and you hate the TB and just want some peace in your life, some food for your family, and to be left the fuck alone. Here comes an American SF A Team who lives with your village or at worst stays in your valley. You see them every day or every other day. You see them working alongside you and your family and your tribe to provide for them and to protect them. They may not dress the same as you, but they look and act like people. But then one day, they have to go home.
And the next guys to come in, rolling into your village with MRAPs, dressed in armor like men from another planet. They stay for a few hours and then their huge, lumbering vehicles chew up your tiny road or they cause ditches to cave in from their weight or they just can't help but to run over some of your crops in these....things. When they talk to you, you can't see their eyes behind their sunglasses and the best you can hope for is to see them once a week as they drive in, meet with you, and drive out. With the first guys, you never had a night letter on your doorstep, the school was open, and crops were growing. But the new unit, they aren't around to provide security or to help you and when they do show up it is for a few hours and they tear up your valley bit by bit with their "trucks."
Which is the better approach to COIN and which approach do you think many units are using (for whatever reasons) today in Afghanistan?
Kinda like "lets put our self in a giant suit of armor and talk to people". All they see is the suit of armor, and not the human in it.
I get what you mean FF....
I get what you mean FF....
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It seems like in all of these photo's of SF Soldiers their now all sporting the Daniel Defense rail systems.
Is this the "NEW" rail for the SOPMOD program or is this a personal preference thing ?
Just curious.
Is this the "NEW" rail for the SOPMOD program or is this a personal preference thing ?
Just curious.
The answers to those questions are quite complex but they all come back to the will of the American people, a shift in the age of technology, and OER/NCOERs...
FF's example is the end state of the above...
I don't have the time to expound right now, but I will this evening.
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Roger that mate, thanks.
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