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AssadUSMC

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I am pretty knowledgable, but I have immense respect for the opinions on this board. With that said, what are your feelings on the following firearms (pieces I plan on picking up over the next few months - gotta love TDY money):

Kimber Desert Warrior

LWRC M6A2

LMT piston carbine

M1A SOCOM 16

(I'll get ONE of the rifles, but any of them sound good)

I plan on EO-Teching the rifle and not much else. If I get the M1A, I might put that new Schmidt und Bender on it...
 

Polar Bear

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I am pretty knowledgable, but I have immense respect for the opinions on this board. With that said, what are your feelings on the following firearms (pieces I plan on picking up over the next few months - gotta love TDY money):

Kimber Desert Warrior

LWRC M6A2

LMT piston carbine

M1A SOCOM 16

(I'll get ONE of the rifles, but any of them sound good)

I plan on EO-Teching the rifle and not much else. If I get the M1A, I might put that new Schmidt und Bender on it...

Is the M1A for show or shooting?
 

AssadUSMC

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All of them are for shooting... I don't buy guns for show. I do enjoy a little gun porn, though... I just want something handy, accurate, reliable.
 

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I have heard (not shot) the SOCOM is neither handy or accurate (long range). Look at the Scout. I am trying to decide myself between the Scout and or Standard
 

AssadUSMC

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I've looked at the Scout and the SOCOM II as well. The SOCOM II is too damn heavy... I might go for the Scout - good call. I am also going to ask some guys who've figured out how to do a 200m zero with the EO-Tech. RB knows the guys I'm referring to. Any input on that is welcome, too.

Thanks, PB.
 

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I've looked at the Scout and the SOCOM II as well. The SOCOM II is too damn heavy... I might go for the Scout - good call. I am also going to ask some guys who've figured out how to do a 200m zero with the EO-Tech. RB knows the guys I'm referring to. Any input on that is welcome, too.

Thanks, PB.

Heavy is a factor in a M1A......... Look at magazines loaded. Compare to a M4 or variants, M1A is just gonna be heavy. I have a M1A1 and traded off my Socom 16, I like the full meal deal version better, if for any reason I was potty trained on that one. I also have a AR10 w/16 barrel.

I would decide on what I want to use it for and let that be my reasons for buying one over the other.

There are always issues, Cost, recoil, weight, fun factor, etc. No one firearm does it all. Neat thing is, we can own more than one.
 
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I am pretty knowledgable, but I have immense respect for the opinions on this board. With that said, what are your feelings on the following firearms (pieces I plan on picking up over the next few months - gotta love TDY money):

Kimber Desert Warrior

LWRC M6A2

LMT piston carbine

M1A SOCOM 16

(I'll get ONE of the rifles, but any of them sound good)

I plan on EO-Teching the rifle and not much else. If I get the M1A, I might put that new Schmidt und Bender on it...

I can only comment one gun in the list. I would not ever trust my life to a Kimber, and there are far better 1911s out there in the price range. Among the truly knowledgeable out there about the fighting 1911 (Vickers, Yam, etc) none are fans of Kimber products. Yes, others will say otherwise, and that's fine, but you asked. :2c:
 
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8'Duece

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I personally never saw the utility in an 16" .308 Winchester. That's just me.

ASSADUSMC:

If it where me I'd go with the LWRC or the LMT piston.

You can purchase the LMT Defender lower with the two stage trigger or the single stage and with the SOPMOD stock then pin the LMT MRP piston driven right on top. Probably the finest AR's on the market, unless your a total Colt fan.

Just my humble opinion.

I don't like anything Kimber, but if you do then by all means get the Desert Warrior or Warrior. It's a series 70 pistol with the extras. It's the only Kimber that seems to run without the need to have an armorer in your kit bag. :D
 

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Thanks for the input guys... I only mentioned the M1A since I have some experience with M14 types and the M1A is more likely to be available these days.

My #1 choice is the piston AR (LWRC and LMT are the two top-recommended versions). I'll keep searching! Thanks.
 
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I have a M1A - Super Match and do love it! But it is way heavy and I got it with the intent to learn how to shoot longer distances.

If you don't have an M-4 or AR variant then I would always start there first! Primarily because it is easy to get pieces and parts for.

I can tell you since the latest efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan there are NO M1A aftermarket gear around. Forget things like A.R.M.S. Scope mounts/Rings for the M1A etc! Some of it is becoming available again but it is rare.

Plus 5.56 and .223 ammo is more available than .308.

The SOCOM II is fricking amazing weapon. I have shot both the Scout and the SOCOM II recently and compared them to my Super Match. I AM A HUGE FAN OF ANYTHING SPRINGFIELD!!!! Plus 7.62 is a great round!

I like what I have heard from other about the LWRC and LMT pistons. I am looking for one as both my AR's are GAS.

WILL - I know some real lovers of Kimber and I wonder why you would make a statement like that? Is this just pure gut thing or do you have any fact to back that statement up? Not trying to start a flame war just curious! :uhh:
 
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08steeda

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I can only comment one gun in the list. I would not ever trust my life to a Kimber, and there are far better 1911s out there in the price range. Among the truly knowledgeable out there about the fighting 1911 (Vickers, Yam, etc) none are fans of Kimber products. Yes, others will say otherwise, and that's fine, but you asked. :2c:

My brother is a huge fan and has never had a single issue with the 4 or 5 he owns. And he is a heavey IDPA shooter.

Can you point me to your sources of information?

I am curious now!
 

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I personally never saw the utility in an 16" .308 Winchester. That's just me.

With my numbers - Mk262 5.56 round at 500m has 428 ft-lbs of energy and traveling at approx 1582 fps - That was 3000fps out of an 18" barrel. Even though BH says 2650fps out of the barrel.

The 168 SMK 308 out of a 16" barrel; at 500m has 888 ft-lbs of energy and 1543 fps. At 800m it gets similar to the mk262 (at 500m) with 482 ft-lbs and 1137fps. Out of the barrel at 2500fps.

The guys at Larue have popped plates out to 1000yrs with their OSR and I've shot plates out to 600m with a 14.5" POF-308. IMO the 16" 308 is a great recce gun.

Assad- have you thought about the DPMS/SR/Larue/POF style 308? With Magpul bringing their pmag to the table, it could be a good option.

Like Steeda said - if you don't have a AR platform - start there first. I'd also put the pistol low on the list. IF a ban comes, the 1911 may have a chance of not getting listed since it is below the "mean 10 rd magazine" and it's not a "dirty assault weapon" that is being shipped to Mexico...:rolleyes:

The LWRC lists for $2500 but is on Snipercountry PX for $2145 - of course they're out of stock.
On BravoCo's site - the cost for the LMT upper is $1500. You can probably get a good complete lower and stock for $400 or so.

LMT make quality stuff and I've not heard anything bad about the LWRC. Honestly between the two it comes to personal preference and availability. Personally I like the LMT over the LWRC but that just personal preference.
 
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8'Duece

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With my numbers - Mk262 5.56 round at 500m has 428 ft-lbs of energy and traveling at approx 1582 fps - That was 3000fps out of an 18" barrel. Even though BH says 2650fps out of the barrel.

The 168 SMK 308 out of a 16" barrel; at 500m has 888 ft-lbs of energy and 1543 fps. At 800m it gets similar to the mk262 (at 500m) with 482 ft-lbs and 1137fps. Out of the barrel at 2500fps.

The guys at Larue have popped plates out to 1000yrs with their OSR and I've shot plates out to 600m with a 14.5" POF-308. IMO the 16" 308 is a great recce gun.

Assad- have you thought about the DPMS/SR/Larue/POF style 308? With Magpul bringing their pmag to the table, it could be a good option.

Like Steeda said - if you don't have a AR platform - start there first. I'd also put the pistol low on the list. IF a ban comes, the 1911 may have a chance of not getting listed since it is below the "mean 10 rd magazine" and it's not a "dirty assault weapon" that is being shipped to Mexico...:rolleyes:

The LWRC lists for $2500 but is on Snipercountry PX for $2145 - of course they're out of stock.
On BravoCo's site - the cost for the LMT upper is $1500. You can probably get a good complete lower and stock for $400 or so.

LMT make quality stuff and I've not heard anything bad about the LWRC. Honestly between the two it comes to personal preference and availability. Personally I like the LMT over the LWRC but that just personal preference.

Well, I can't argue with those numbers, but then again I'm just thinking from the Old School of barrel length and old ammunition.

I forget what kind of barrel is in the LaRue OSR but it's one of the best and I've heard great things about their new release of this particular rifle. I wouldn't mind having one when they finally start shipping them.

Everything else I can see we agree on. Thanks for the head split on the numbers. :doh: I like the Mk262 ammunition for my Les Baer AR but getting a supply of it is like waiting for a virgin to want to lay me at this old age. :cool:

Thanks for the clarification. I'm not a high speed long range guy.


ETA: Are those number at the muzzle or the target distances that you mentioned with the LaRue OSR ???
 
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You really need to attend my son's Zombie Eradication Course. .308 has a great melon misting potential than smaller calibers. Once you mist the Zombie's melon, they are no longer a threat. ;)

God dam ain't that the truth.
 
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